Is Nigel Cutting Through The Crap?

I don't give a shite about gender, the job should go to the best candidate regardless of sex.

Yet often it doesn't, because there are still sexists and racists who discriminate.

bwfc1874 wrote:Yet often it doesn't, because there are still sexists and racists who discriminate.

What proof do you have of this?

Putting aside the fact that Nigel Farage is a tosser of the highest order and UKIP are an absolute joke as far as their party and representatives are concerned and any laws regarding discrimination, if two candidates for the same job have exactly the same credentials and there is nothing to separate them qualification wise, what is the problem choosing the British national over his foreign counterpart?

I'm by no means pro UKIP or racist in the slightest. I've had no problem letting 84 know when he's being a idiot when it comes to obvious racism but choosing a foreign candidate over a British one with the same credentials just so not as to appear racist seems a bit daft to me.

Am I wrong in what I'm saying here? If so could someone point out why please?

Natasha Whittam wrote:What proof do you have of this?

The fact top level positions across every industry are dominated by white middle class men. Where's your evidence it doesn't exist?

bwfc1874 wrote:
The fact top level positions across every industry are dominated by white middle class men. Where's your evidence it doesn't exist?

I didn't interview them, so I couldn't comment. But I'm guessing the majority of applicants for most jobs are white middle class men.

The BBC have now issued an edict banning all male comedy panel shows.
Fair enough,but as Jason Manford has said this week,any woman on one of these shows is going to wonder if she's there for her talent or her gender.
As Nat has said,it should be the best suitable choice for the job,irrespective of race,colour,creed,sexuality or gender.
To do otherwise would simply promote mediocrity.

Natasha Whittam wrote:I didn't interview them, so I couldn't comment. But I'm guessing the majority of applicants for most jobs are white middle class men.

Probably true, but it's a disproportionate level compared to society.

Nigel seems to think racism (and presumably sexism) don't exist anymore, do you agree with that?

bwfc1874 wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Everything I've read is to the contrary.

You can't experience life by reading about it. You need to get out more.

Don't be silly, if we started basing UK policy on my personal experiences the likes of you and Soul Kitchen would be in serious trouble.

Better off leaving it to the professionals I reckon.

Here's some evidence that we need anti-discrimination laws -

The UK has fallen from the top 20 in the global rankings for gender equality, a study by the World Economic Forum (WEF) shows. Commentators attribute the fall to low levels of female economic participation.
In the annual Global Gender Gap report released on October 28, the UK was reported to have fallen 8 places in the rankings from 18 to 26, its lowest score since 2008. The UK was beaten in the rankings by middle income and developing countries such as Rwanda and the Philippines.
While the study showed that some aspects of gender equality, such as enrolment in education, had improved, the UK failed to secure a place in the top four of any of the measurable categories: health, education, politics and the economy.

I would seriously question the data that Rwanda have supplied. The Hutu tribe massacred nearly a million Tutsi during the Rwanda Genocide. Rwanda is hardly a bastion of anti-discrimination.

bwfc1874 wrote:
Nigel seems to think racism (and presumably sexism) don't exist anymore, do you agree with that?

I can honestly say I have never been racially abused, and my sexy body has opened doors others can only dream about.

So in my world they don't exist, perhaps Nigel lives in a similar society?

That wasn't the question.

I really should stop biting, you're good at this.

bwfc1874 wrote:That wasn't the question.

I really should stop biting, you're good at this.

It's not about biting, I'm simply trying to show that Nigel has a point. There is nothing wrong with picking a British worker over a foreign one.

Natasha Whittam wrote:There is nothing wrong with picking a British worker over a foreign one.

No there isn't. But the law isn't that a foreign worker must be hired over a Brit.

But all Nigel is saying is what I've just said - he is the voice of reason.

Hahaha, the utter state of the country, being English we'll all be second class animals behind pigs in ten years time, and people are slagging UKIP off, get real, this country has gone to the dogs, stay fit because we'll all be fighting for this land soon.

scottjames30 wrote:Hahaha, the utter state of the country, being English we'll all be second class animals behind pigs in ten years time, and people are slagging UKIP off, get real, this country has gone to the dogs, stay fit because we'll all be fighting for this land soon.

Do you like my new avatar Scott.
It's my own little tribute to you and Nat.

I'd better be the old guy.

Natasha Whittam wrote:I'd better be the old guy.

Of course.
You could never be described as a dummy.