Fans take important step towards creation of a Supporters' Trust at Bolton

y2johnny wrote:Lpp, just a warning.  Stay off the wandering minds section  if you see my dad tell him as well.  Not seen him today  its like the mad max of forums at the minute

BoltonTillIDie wrote:Hopefully there'll be a stream too.

y2johnny wrote:The brotherhood v the bumchums thing again.

Anyway, back on topic.  I am interested to know more about all this bwfcst lark.  Won't be able to go on the day but if i can get it online i don't mind relating info over for people.

luckyPeterpiper wrote: They've already made it clear through Kane that their promises mean nothing and they have more important things to do than actually talk to fans. It's nothing more than a self-promotion exercise in my opinion that will have about as much impact on the club as Liberal Democrats on National Politics.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote: They've already made it clear through Kane that their promises mean nothing and they have more important things to do than actually talk to fans. It's nothing more than a self-promotion exercise in my opinion that will have about as much impact on the club as Liberal Democrats on National Politics.

People who get off their backsides should be applauded. It may come to nothing but at least they tried.

This will fail not because of the people involved, but because of the thousands of "fans" like LPP who are happier slagging people off from a distance.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:
Oh Nat, how I missed both of your active brain cells while I was away. Not. As to slagging off from a distance that has been your raison d'etre ever since I joined this site. You spent ages telling us all you don't even support BWFC anymore, you're a Chorley fan. And even on this topic you've moaned that you have lost too much of your life to BWFC and could have had kids by now. All I can say is that if you ARE childless that's a tremendous boon to the future of our species.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:
Oh Nat, how I missed both of your active brain cells while I was away. Not. As to slagging off from a distance that has been your raison d'etre ever since I joined this site. You spent ages telling us all you don't even support BWFC anymore, you're a Chorley fan. And even on this topic you've moaned that you have lost too much of your life to BWFC and could have had kids by now. All I can say is that if you ARE childless that's a tremendous boon to the future of our species.

I like the word 'boon'. I'm going to try and use it before I log off tonight.

I slag BWFC off every day, but I also get off my backside and support the team by going to home games and buying merchandise. So I'm entitled to abuse the ponces.

But you're slagging off a group of people who are trying to help BWFC. Uncalled for in my opinion.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:
I might agree with you but for one thing Nat. These people started out making all sorts of promises, particularly about reaching out to the various forums. Then suddenly Kane posted he had more important things to do than update forums. Add in that the founders of this trust refuse to even tell us their names and that they're piling in restrictions that limit who will actually get a say in how it's run and I feel they're not only failing to help, they're making a bad situation worse by giving false hope. I actually meet all their 'criteria' so it isn't sour grapes. I simply think the entire process lacks transparency and has a large whiff od dodgy about it as a result. If you disagree with that fair enough.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:
I might agree with you but for one thing Nat. These people started out making all sorts of promises, particularly about reaching out to the various forums. Then suddenly Kane posted he had more important things to do than update forums. Add in that the founders of this trust refuse to even tell us their names and that they're piling in restrictions that limit who will actually get a say in how it's run and I feel they're not only failing to help, they're making a bad situation worse by giving false hope. I actually meet all their 'criteria' so it isn't sour grapes. I simply think the entire process lacks transparency and has a large whiff od dodgy about it as a result. If you disagree with that fair enough.

I'm sure there are more important things to do than update a football forum.

I just think people should be given a chance before we slag them off. Don't worry LPP, if they turn into a bunch of self-serving twats I'll be the first to moan.

Sluffy wrote:A bit of background to this supporters Trust -

This was posted today on TW -

Hey fellow Wanderers.
Hopefully you've heard us mentioned, if not this post will explain things. Most important of all we are not trying to compete with this forum or any other Bolton sites.

http://www.bwfcst.co.uk/


Goals
1) We aim to be independent of the club, but may require help initially to get started (eg meeting space)
2) We want to become the glue that joins all fans together
3) We want to have close ties to all web forums & fans on social media [Thanks for not bothering to contact us then - or most other of the BWFC forums either! - Sluffy]

Timeline
Today: We are working as fast as possible to create a Supporters Trust for Wanderers fans. We currently have a working group of 8 volunteers
Weekend: Most of the founders will be having a private meeting with Supporters Direct
Next Week: Everything will become public & we'll start to arrange a public meeting

Founders
1) We want to be anonymous for the moment to prevent any issues related to previous spats etc
2) Most of us didn't already know each other. Only a love for BWFC binds us together
3) We contain a qualified insolvency practitioner & looking for legal expert with experience of Supporters Trusts
4) There will be elections so if you don't like the founders that shouldn't be a reason to dismiss us

If you feel you can help then get in touch via the website




Later on in reply to a post from the lead mod (Carlos) on ww - saying if Chris Manning / Batman / Lion of Vienna (franchise) owner was part of it... -

Carlos, on 18 Dec 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:


Any ideas who's behind the anonymous BWFC Supporters Trust? I suspect it's the LoV crew, in which case I'm out, obvs.




In your position I'd be just as cynical as you.

I am 1 of 8 co founders. Another founder is a qualified insolvency practitioner & we have political representation too.

Yes one of the co founders is from LoV but this isn't about him and he knows it.  

We need all forums to work together on this if you want the best for the club. We're building support with over 100 fans submitting their details just this morning.

Hopefully we can roll out our secret weapon tomorrow.




Carlos replied -


Founders != leaders


Thanks. I had hoped that someone would come forward, and I wish you all the best. But you've already addressed my issue with the LoV crew, like I said, I'm out. In fact, I'd go further and say with their involvement I'd oppose you.

You can't have someone who is all about self-promotion and expect something different from them. This is my own opinion, not that of WW, of course.

I suspect my friend Mr Peacock is involved. He gets my backing. But not with the LoV bloke.






My view - Peacock is almost certainly Chris Peacock who is closely linked with the people behind the Mavis forum who have tried in the past to takeover the Bolton Wanderers Supporters Trust.

They were kicked out!

Having had experience with 'Batman' (banned and blocked from a number of forums and twitter accounts) and those behind the Mavies forum, I certainly would steer way clear of them - but that is my personal opinion and not those of this site.




Later posts on ww include these -

I'm assuming that the point of the supporters trust is to be offered to purchase the club if it enters administration.

And as the administrators are bound to speak to the (one and only?) supporters trust within the mandatory 21 day marketing period, I assume the first objective of the self appointed trust will be to appoint trustees, with none of the founders/organisers guarenteed to be appointed.

If not, then I see it as nothing more than self promotion, and for that reason I am out.


and

If Chris Manning is involved then the others must include Chris Amos, Natasha Whittam and Keyser Soze?


(The last one made me chuckle!)

Carlos (Wanderers Wayz) wrote:If Chris Manning is involved then the others must include Chris Amos, Natasha Whittam and Keyser Soze?

Breadman wrote:Yeah, I'm gutted not to be on a list which comprises Bolton's very own celebrity train-spotter, a fat bloke from Little Lever who pretends to be a woman on the internet to make himself feel better about how shit his life's turned out and a character from a film.

Absolutely devvoed........

(Keep going - you're doing my job for me.)