Should NHS Be Funding Tranny Ops?

boltonbonce wrote:Man has penis stolen in his sleep.

Couldn't read any more.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:This thread is interesting and the question not as simple as it appears to be. 

I would suggest that the NHS should prioritise the saving of lives and more money should be spent on things like A + E services rather than 'elective' surgeries such as gender reassignment BUT there are some cases where a man needs to be a woman so badly their lives do in fact depend on it. Where and how do you draw the line?

In my opinion for what it's worth I believe such people should be given therapy on the NHS in a bid to help them become comfortable in the body he/she already has but that actual surgery should not be funded by the taxpayer. I wish I knew enough about it to post more intelligently but I believe the NHS should stick to it's original mandate to provide necessary medical care to those who couldn't afford to go private. 

IVF is an issue I discussed with Wendy and others and I'll be unpopular for this but I believe it should NOT be funded by the NHS. There are thousands of children in care who desperately need a loving family and I feel those who can't conceive naturally should be encouraged to adopt. I don't hold with the mantra that people have a "right" to have children. My heart goes out to those who can't conceive but I believe they shouldn't be getting public money to do so when so many children are in such dire need already.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:This thread is interesting and the question not as simple as it appears to be. 

I would suggest that the NHS should prioritise the saving of lives and more money should be spent on things like A + E services rather than 'elective' surgeries such as gender reassignment BUT there are some cases where a man needs to be a woman so badly their lives do in fact depend on it. Where and how do you draw the line?

In my opinion for what it's worth I believe such people should be given therapy on the NHS in a bid to help them become comfortable in the body he/she already has but that actual surgery should not be funded by the taxpayer. I wish I knew enough about it to post more intelligently but I believe the NHS should stick to it's original mandate to provide necessary medical care to those who couldn't afford to go private. 

IVF is an issue I discussed with Wendy and others and I'll be unpopular for this but I believe it should NOT be funded by the NHS. There are thousands of children in care who desperately need a loving family and I feel those who can't conceive naturally should be encouraged to adopt. I don't hold with the mantra that people have a "right" to have children. My heart goes out to those who can't conceive but I believe they shouldn't be getting public money to do so when so many children are in such dire need already.

Breadman wrote:Couple of quick questions now, Pete:

When you inherited Wendy's kids and integrated them into your new family, did you feel an immediate bond with them?

If you're completely honest with yourself, do you love them in the same way and as much as the ones you fathered yourself?

I'd hazard a guess that you don't, despite how much you tell yourself you do.

If someone was holding a gun to the heads of one of Wendy's and one of yours and you had to pick which one copped it, could you make an unbiased decision?

I'd guess not, again despite what you try and tell yourself.

The point I'm trying to make is that children aren't puppies and to suggest that childless couples should just pop down to the local orphanage and pick one is a bit crass in my view.

And unused fertilized eggs from IVF treatment are often donated for stem cell research, so there is pay back into the NHS.

Pay back which could conceivably help to save lives.

Breadman wrote:Couple of quick questions now, Pete:

When you inherited Wendy's kids and integrated them into your new family, did you feel an immediate bond with them?

If you're completely honest with yourself, do you love them in the same way and as much as the ones you fathered yourself?

I'd hazard a guess that you don't, despite how much you tell yourself you do.

If someone was holding a gun to the heads of one of Wendy's and one of yours and you had to pick which one copped it, could you make an unbiased decision?

I'd guess not, again despite what you try and tell yourself.

The point I'm trying to make is that children aren't puppies and to suggest that childless couples should just pop down to the local orphanage and pick one is a bit crass in my view.

And unused fertilized eggs from IVF treatment are often donated for stem cell research, so there is pay back into the NHS.

Pay back which could conceivably help to save lives.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:This thread is interesting and the question not as simple as it appears to be. 

I would suggest that the NHS should prioritise the saving of lives and more money should be spent on things like A + E services rather than 'elective' surgeries such as gender reassignment BUT there are some cases where a man needs to be a woman so badly their lives do in fact depend on it. Where and how do you draw the line?

In my opinion for what it's worth I believe such people should be given therapy on the NHS in a bid to help them become comfortable in the body he/she already has but that actual surgery should not be funded by the taxpayer. I wish I knew enough about it to post more intelligently but I believe the NHS should stick to it's original mandate to provide necessary medical care to those who couldn't afford to go private. 

IVF is an issue I discussed with Wendy and others and I'll be unpopular for this but I believe it should NOT be funded by the NHS. There are thousands of children in care who desperately need a loving family and I feel those who can't conceive naturally should be encouraged to adopt. I don't hold with the mantra that people have a "right" to have children. My heart goes out to those who can't conceive but I believe they shouldn't be getting public money to do so when so many children are in such dire need already.

Probably your finest ever post. Agree with everything.

Imagine arriving at A&E to be told there's no room, when David (now Davina) is in the next room having a vagina made from his old penis.

bwfc71 wrote:

Except that there are only 3 surgeons in the country that carry out the procedure - one of them, based at Jimmy's in Leeds, is out in foreign parts for best part of 6 months and the other two - one works at Charing Cross and the other works in Brighton - both facilities are Private facilities, operated by Nuffield Health.  Therefore it is not possible to be turned away at A&E due to a Transgender procedure in the next room!

Natasha Whittam wrote:So Mr Amos, should these ops be available on the NHS?

Soul Kitchen wrote:I know a woman who struggled to have children and finished up having a heptopic pregnancy or whatever. She was offered a course of IVF and finished up having twins. This was 20 odd years ago, perhaps she and her husband should have adopted?
I know what I'd have done if that had happened to my wife and me.