Norpig wrote:
If you want to call me a fool, carry on
If you insist. FOOL!
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Norpig wrote:
If you want to call me a fool, carry on
Glad to see someone has some sense.finlaymcdanger wrote:I juts spent my £10 membership fee on vanilla bean ice cream.
better than the usual utter bellend i supposeNatasha Whittam wrote:Norpig wrote:
If you want to call me a fool, carry on
If you insist. FOOL!
karlypants wrote:Glad to see someone has some sense.finlaymcdanger wrote:I juts spent my £10 membership fee on vanilla bean ice cream.
Norpig wrote:Sluffy i get that you're against the ST but calling fans who want to see what they can achieve fools is just not on.Sluffy wrote:You can join the Bolton Wanderers Supporters Trust for an initial cost of a £10 membership.
The payment guarantees you absolutely nothing apart from voting into office the people to represent the ST.
The ST's aim is to have a say in the running of the club.
I personally doubt that anyone putting millions of their money into a business in the aim to make a profit from it would seriously listen to anybody else's opinion of what they should do with their money, particularly if that person has an emotional attachment rather than a hard headed business view.
I therefore think the concept of them having a say in somebody else's business is fundamentally flawed.
Hundreds of people however have been paying £10 membership fee to the ST today on God knows whatever rationale they may have.
They are parting with their money on a premise that is far from certain to be delivered, in order to vote in people they probably have no idea about to represent them and giving their money to an organisation that has not told anyone what they would spend it on.
It would seem the old saying that 'a fool and their money are easily parted' is alive and currently in action in the Bolton area today and for a while thereafter.
If you want to call me a fool, carry on as i will be putting up my £10 and not just sitting back and moaning about the ST without actually doing anything about it.
Your hatred of one of the steering group is clouding your judgement on all this and you are coming across as sanctimonius
Fabians Right Peg wrote:Sluffy wrote:I personally doubt that anyone putting millions of their money into a business in the aim to make a profit from it would seriously listen to anybody else's opinion of what they should do with their money, particularly if that person has an emotional attachment rather than a hard headed business view.
I therefore think the concept of them having a say in somebody else's business is fundamentally flawed.
Hundreds of people however have been paying £10 membership fee to the ST today on God knows whatever rationale they may have.
I suppose in a way you have summed up the basis for what I hope will be the reason that any owner has to listen to the ST.
Yes many of us have an emotional attachment to the club and it could be argued that those of us that still go regular are beyond hope and are in effect a sure fire earner for the new owner.
However if they want to make money they have to attract back those that have voted with there feet, for some that would have been because of the football, for others it may have been to do with the way the club went and it's image.
Ultimately the owner needs the current core fans to encourage others to come back to the club and that means communicating with us, and keeping us happy, how many of us would tell a friend to come to a game, not just for the football but because it's a great day out?
Any sensible owner will engage with as many supporters groups as possible, I also want to see the ST get involved in encouraging younger fans to the macron, hell open a full block for anyone with an under 8 year old and let them in for a fiver first come first served basis.
We need to build for the future and hopefully a proper ST can help do that.
Fabians Right Peg wrote:Sluffy wrote:I personally doubt that anyone putting millions of their money into a business in the aim to make a profit from it would seriously listen to anybody else's opinion of what they should do with their money, particularly if that person has an emotional attachment rather than a hard headed business view.
I therefore think the concept of them having a say in somebody else's business is fundamentally flawed.
Hundreds of people however have been paying £10 membership fee to the ST today on God knows whatever rationale they may have.
I suppose in a way you have summed up the basis for what I hope will be the reason that any owner has to listen to the ST.
Yes many of us have an emotional attachment to the club and it could be argued that those of us that still go regular are beyond hope and are in effect a sure fire earner for the new owner.
However if they want to make money they have to attract back those that have voted with there feet, for some that would have been because of the football, for others it may have been to do with the way the club went and it's image.
Ultimately the owner needs the current core fans to encourage others to come back to the club and that means communicating with us, and keeping us happy, how many of us would tell a friend to come to a game, not just for the football but because it's a great day out?
Any sensible owner will engage with as many supporters groups as possible, I also want to see the ST get involved in encouraging younger fans to the macron, hell open a full block for anyone with an under 8 year old and let them in for a fiver first come first served basis.
We need to build for the future and hopefully a proper ST can help do that.
Sluffy the issue i have with you is that you have written off the ST before they have even been properly formed. You're right we don't know exactly what is going to happen and if they will have any real say in how the club is run but if no one tries then how we will ever know?Sluffy wrote:Norpig wrote:Sluffy i get that you're against the ST but calling fans who want to see what they can achieve fools is just not on.Sluffy wrote:You can join the Bolton Wanderers Supporters Trust for an initial cost of a £10 membership.
The payment guarantees you absolutely nothing apart from voting into office the people to represent the ST.
The ST's aim is to have a say in the running of the club.
I personally doubt that anyone putting millions of their money into a business in the aim to make a profit from it would seriously listen to anybody else's opinion of what they should do with their money, particularly if that person has an emotional attachment rather than a hard headed business view.
I therefore think the concept of them having a say in somebody else's business is fundamentally flawed.
Hundreds of people however have been paying £10 membership fee to the ST today on God knows whatever rationale they may have.
They are parting with their money on a premise that is far from certain to be delivered, in order to vote in people they probably have no idea about to represent them and giving their money to an organisation that has not told anyone what they would spend it on.
It would seem the old saying that 'a fool and their money are easily parted' is alive and currently in action in the Bolton area today and for a while thereafter.
If you want to call me a fool, carry on as i will be putting up my £10 and not just sitting back and moaning about the ST without actually doing anything about it.
Your hatred of one of the steering group is clouding your judgement on all this and you are coming across as sanctimonius
Mate, I hate no one, life's to short but there are people I simply don't trust and for good reason.
I'm sorry if you don't like my take on the ST, it is nothing personal to you nor anybody else, it is simply a rationale view of the ST's aim and prospect of achieving it.
If you put away your emotional view of me and the ST for one moment and examine what I've said in my post above, then what exactly can you disagree with?
Are the ST certain to achieve a place on the new board or even a say in how to run the business? - No.
Do you know who is standing to be elected in the ST? - No.
Do you know what the ST intends to spend the money donated to it by well meaning fans of the club? - No.
If Mrs Norpig told you that she had given out £10's to complete stranger off the street, who said they were going to get your favourite group to do a gig in your local pub - would you think that was a sensible thing for her to do?
Yes, the ST 'might' achieve a voice to be heard on the new board and similarly yes, your favourite band might do a one night stand at your local - but I think the chances of either are slim - don't you?
If you think I'm being sanctimonious for simply thinking with my head than with my heart, then yes, I probably then am, I'm certainly not ashamed of looking first before leaping.
If you want to give your £10 to somebody you don't know, have no idea what they might spend it on and with no guarantee what so ever of having any voice on the new board - then go right ahead, as it is your money to spend how you like.
Cajunboy wrote:If 5,000 people pay £10 for their membership, then that is £50,000 per year going into the ST's coffers.
What are they actually going to spend it on?
Does anybody know?
No the ST aren't certain to achieve a place on the board, but it's equally uncertain that they won't - that's the point.Sluffy wrote:Are the ST certain to achieve a place on the new board or even a say in how to run the business? - No.
Yes, the ST 'might' achieve a voice to be heard on the new board and similarly yes, your favourite band might do a one night stand at your local - but I think the chances of either are slim - don't you?
If you think I'm being sanctimonious for simply thinking with my head than with my heart, then yes, I probably then am, I'm certainly not ashamed of looking first before leaping.
That's a lot of Quavers!!!Breadman wrote:Quavers and a new kettle.
bwfc1874 wrote:Instead of the patronising comment implying anybody stupid enough to pledge a tenner is doing so blindly, just accept that not everybody's had the same interpretation as you have on the events of the last few months. We've all followed the ST's campaign closely but clearly haven't come to the same conclusions about them.
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