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1Dodgy Dave Empty Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 10:11

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So after 6 years of demonising anybody on benefits as scroungers who are robbing the country, it turns out our PM has profited from his fathers dodgy tax dealings in Panama in effect robbing the rest of us of his taxes. Incidentally he's previously described using those schemes as morally wrong.

Can't say I'm surprised to be honest, this is just one tax haven that's leaked, there's likely far more we don't know about. I'm interested to know if anybody is surprised? It's another example of him outright lying to voters particularly with his claims to want transparency about tax and clamping down on said havens. Does anybody care?

2Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 10:19

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Not surprised at all, however if you solely believe it is DC involved then you are kidding yourself. The expenses saga showed that politicians of all sides are equally susceptible to bending if not breaking rules, suspect that will be the next line taken 'I have broken no parliamentary rules', as some one once said absolute power corrupts absolutely, whilst it would seem a modicum of power is enough in most instances.

3Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 10:51

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i can't think of any front bench Labour MPs who have the wealth to use tax havens, but I take your point.

There's only one party that's funded almost entirely from wealthy donors. A number of which have also been implicated, if anybody wants reform its clear that the Tories don't have the motivation to do it.

4Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 11:08

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i'm not surprised at all and the fact it took 6 days for him to finally admit it tells it's own story. I am still surprised that the Tories got in again at the last election, how anyone can think pig fucker and Gideon have a clue about the average man is beyond me

5Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 11:54

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Everything about this government is sly, devious, unfair and heartless. Completely out of touch with the people they are meant to serve. I don't trust Cameron one iota. Spin, lies and half-truths are the party's forte. 
The trouble is that they have no effective opposition so think they can do what they like and wait for media storms to die down. For example they still haven't imposed the findings of the Leveson report, and so keep the press largely favourable, though the tide has turned a little recently. Their only real opposition comes from within their own ranks and from online petitions. If Brexit prevails, DC's position as PM may face challenges from Tory dissenters.

Favouring the wealthy whilst being uncaring about the vulnerable, the poor, youth etc will come back to bite him eventually.

6Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 12:38

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He's been joking about it at a meeting of Tory party activists this morning.

"It's not been the best of weeks" said the loveable scamp.

This was met with much guffawing and general tittering, as his chinless minions lapped up his self-effacing magnificence. 

Horrible, shameless bastard.

7Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 12:54

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The sooner those twats are out of power the better!

8Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 12:55

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bwfc1874 wrote:So after 6 years of demonising anybody on benefits as scroungers who are robbing the country, it turns out our PM has profited from his fathers dodgy tax dealings in Panama in effect robbing the rest of us of his taxes. Incidentally he's previously described using those schemes as morally wrong.

Can't say I'm surprised to be honest, this is just one tax haven that's leaked, there's likely far more we don't know about. I'm interested to know if anybody is surprised? It's another example of him outright lying to voters particularly with his claims to want transparency about tax and clamping down on said havens. Does anybody care?

So if someone said to you "you can legally put your money here to save yourself a bundle of tax" you'd say "no way, I want to pay as much tax as I can".

9Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:01

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if you live in this country and care about it then you should pay the tax you have to, however much it is.

10Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:02

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@Norpig wrote:if you live in this country and care about it then you should pay the tax you have to, however much it is.

Get real. If someone said to you right now I can save you £400 a month and it's perfectly legal you'd be all over it.

11Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:05

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but is it legal or is it some loophole that the rich can afford accountants to find for them? The average man in the street doesn't have money like pig fucker do they?

12Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:16

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@Natasha Whittam wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:So after 6 years of demonising anybody on benefits as scroungers who are robbing the country, it turns out our PM has profited from his fathers dodgy tax dealings in Panama in effect robbing the rest of us of his taxes. Incidentally he's previously described using those schemes as morally wrong.

Can't say I'm surprised to be honest, this is just one tax haven that's leaked, there's likely far more we don't know about. I'm interested to know if anybody is surprised? It's another example of him outright lying to voters particularly with his claims to want transparency about tax and clamping down on said havens. Does anybody care?

So if someone said to you "you can legally put your money here to save yourself a bundle of tax" you'd say "no way, I want to pay as much tax as I can".

You miss the point. I'm not blaming his father for doing it, but the law should not allow it and the loopholes need closing. 

Dave went to the EU in 2013 and voted against taking measures on such tax havens. Once again his rhetoric and actions are miles apart and he's been caught out again.



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13Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:21

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@Natasha Whittam wrote:


So if someone said to you "you can legally put your money here to save yourself a bundle of tax" you'd say "no way, I want to pay as much tax as I can".

The problem is (as I suspect you are already well aware), in an attempt to appeal to the common man, ie us, Dodgy Dave has gone on record many times saying that he is committed to holding the sort of people who use these schemes to account in an attempt to stamp out tax avoidance.

And then this comes out.

And the fact that he tried to distance himself from his father's past tax avoidance just before he got the big job tells you that he knows it was dodgy.

And then he mumbled and bumbled his way through the week, subtly changing what he said every day as his position became increasingly more suspect.

So if he's been less than straight about this, what other stuff isn't he telling us?

In the old days, he'd have been forced to walk over something like this but it appears the necky twat is happy to dig his heels in and try and blag it out by doing a mock mea culpa act.

Wanker.

14Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:45

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Latest Tory line I've heard is that Dave didn't reveal the truth sooner because of the pain it was causing in relation to his late father. 

Which is about as cheap a tactic as you can get IMO.

15Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:46

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bwfc1874 wrote:Latest Tory line I've heard is that Dave didn't reveal the truth sooner because of the pain it was causing in relation to his late father. 

Which is about as cheap a tactic as you can get IMO.

You'd diss your father to appease the media?

16Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:50

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You miss the point. He's trying to milk sympathy to get out of a sticky situation, pretty low.

Anyway given your views on benefits cheats, what's your stance on this? I'm imagining a similar level of outrage? Has your Cameron blow up doll been deflated?

17Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 13:53

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bwfc1874 wrote:You miss the point. He's trying to milk sympathy to get out of a sticky situation, pretty low.

Anyway given your views on benefits cheats, what's your stance on this? I'm imagining a similar level of outrage? Has your Cameron blow up doll been deflated?

Perhaps he's just being honest, rather than milking sympathy.

It's illegal to cheat benefits, what Cameron has done is not illegal. So I don't see your point.

18Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 14:33

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Honesty and Cameron should never be in the same sentence together. He is the epitome of dishonesty, shady half-truths and evasion (or enforced u-turns due to choices of policy.) 

He and George are heartless, sly manipulators. It's not so much about tax-avoidance as truth-avoidance. I notice the press are unusually united in condemnation.

19Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 14:37

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@Natasha Whittam wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:You miss the point. He's trying to milk sympathy to get out of a sticky situation, pretty low.

Anyway given your views on benefits cheats, what's your stance on this? I'm imagining a similar level of outrage? Has your Cameron blow up doll been deflated?

Perhaps he's just being honest, rather than milking sympathy.

It's illegal to cheat benefits, what Cameron has done is not illegal. So I don't see your point.

The point is it shouldn't  be legal, you don't care that the super rich are walking all over you, taking all the services taxes pay for but putting nothing back in?

20Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 14:39

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bwfc1874 wrote:

The point is it shouldn't  be legal, you don't care that the super rich are walking all over you, taking all the services taxes pay for but putting nothing back in?

You do realise Cameron can't just pick up the phone and change the law?

21Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 14:52

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Moronic post. He's the prime minister, he has more power over law and proposing changes than anybody in the country - sort of his job.

Why don't you care you're being ripped off? Thought you had a backbone.

22Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 18:07

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I don't think he's done anything wrong to be honest.

23Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 18:14

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There is a live petition on the government petitions website calling for a General Election this year that already has over 100,000 signatures so far here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/122946

The pressure is on Dave!



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24Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 18:14

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Yes, unemployment down, economy on the up.

If there was an election today the Tories would still get in because most people realise they are the best of a bad bunch.

25Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 19:47

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The economy's on a downward turn according to every forecast. The deficit is at its highest ever point, they've failed to get the economy 'on the up' even by their own standards. 

You seem to take every word that comes out of Cameron's mouth as gospel, use your brain.

26Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sat Apr 09 2016, 19:51

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bwfc1874 wrote:The economy's on a downward turn according to every forecast. The deficit is at its highest ever point, they've failed to get the economy 'on the up' even by their own standards.
:clap:

27Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sun Apr 10 2016, 00:31

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Remember how Cameron criticised Jimmy Carr, describing him as "morally wrong" for seeking to avoid taxes and saying it was unfair on the people who pay to watch him perform that he was not paying his taxes in the same way that they do.

Funny how he forgot that he was doing exactly the same thing.

28Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sun Apr 10 2016, 08:15

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He's released his tax returns. Nothing to see here.

Mountain out of a mole hill.

29Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sun Apr 10 2016, 10:07

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Interesting what his tax returns reveal and what they don't.

Headlines for those interested are:
He lives rent free in 10 Downing Street and receives over £93,000 from renting out property he owns
His wife receives free clothes from the Conservative party and the couple have received more than £56,000 in clothes and travel expenses over the past 6 years
He was handed £200,000 by his mother because she fely his £300,000 inheritance from his father was not large enough
In total since 2009 he has had a taxable income of £1,078,008 and paid income tax totalling £402,283.

Of course they don't tell us anything about the size of his savings or other assets or how wealthy his family and in-laws are.

The one positive is that we can only hope that all politicians start publishing their tax returns. Personally I think all tax returns should be publicly available.

30Dodgy Dave Empty Re: Dodgy Dave on Sun Apr 10 2016, 10:09

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Nobody's questioned that he got his tax affairs in order in 2010 before he came Prime Minister, it's what he did when he didn't have the fear of being caught out that everybody's actually interested in.

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