Nuts EU Referendum - How will you be voting?

karlypants wrote: 

Kp, not meaning to be a twat but why did you vote out?

During the run up to this referendum it's been hard to get hold of any true facts about the implications of staying in the EU or coming out. Any media outlet has its owns angle and will spin it the way the editor leans - you can’t trust the newspapers especially when Ruppert Murdock controls half of them.

In my quest to find some good info on the subject to get away from the horrible scare stories I decided to try and find the single most qualified person to help me formulate my decision.

I found this lecture posted on page 6 by Professor Michael Dougan who is the Professor of EU Law at the University of Liverpool Law School. He is the single most qualified person I have found that can cut through these scare stories that we keep on hearing about. 

After watching this 25 minute lecture (there are no visuals or graphics it's just a man delivering a lecture) I voted to remain. If you want to understand what will happen moving forwards I suggest that you watch this short video.

So far he is the single most qualified person I found throughout this entire debate. However, I challenge you to source me information from someone more highly qualified than the Professor of EU Law at Liverpool University.

I share his lecture with you here again in the hope to educate you from an expert in what will most likely happen. I say expert because he is the leading expert in the UK on:

1. EU institutional and constitutional law - especially the relationship between Union law and the national legal systems. 

2. Law of the Single Market - especially the free movement of goods, persons and services, and Union regulatory competence / strategies. 

3. EU welfare law - especially the free movement and equal treatment rights of Union citizens, and cross-border social security coordination.

Please watch the whole 25 mins again and reflect on the possibility that you might have just been hoodwinked by Farage and the Leave campaign. You might have got the whole EU issue wrong because all the reasons you cite to leave according to this Professor of EU Law are inaccurate. He has a PHD in this subject. Please find me another person with a PHD in this subject that can counter his lecture.

Much love JAH

I'm glad you posted that the other day.

It's a nice counterpoint to all the vacuous nonsense.

That guy does this shit for a living and is probably the best positioned commentator I've seen since this whole mess kicked off to give us (the uninformed masses) a properly informed view on things.

But he's been discredited by certain sections on here as just another puppet of the Remain camp.

This, despite him saying that his opinions are unbiased and are based on over 20 years of closely following our relationship with the EU.

He's just another flunky who's scaremongering apparently.....

You know your political system's fucked when Sol Campbell's twittering is regarded as important / relevant.

These post-referendum stats from BBC are interesting in my sad world:

AGE

18 - 25:  27% Leave  73% Remain
35 - 44:  48% Leave  52% Remain
65+:      60% Leave  40% Remain

...although these are sample age groups and I can't verify their sample size there appears to be an age-related trend (the older you are, the more likely you are to have voted leave)

It may even be described as a trend relating to the amount of change individuals have experienced in their lives i.e. today is far more "different" for a 70 year old than it is for a 30 year old? 

Dunno but I find it interesting.

We are still in Europe until Article 50 is triggered! Who will press the button? Borris son of a Turkish man who lived in Europe through his 20's is not going to be the one to press that button!

y2johnny wrote:

karlypants wrote: 

Kp, not meaning to be a twat but why did you vote out?

As one of the most fierce 'leavers' I'd be interested in reading this myself to be honest.

bwfc1874 wrote:

y2johnny wrote:

karlypants wrote: 

Kp, not meaning to be a twat but why did you vote out?

As one of the most fierce 'leavers' I'd be interested in reading this myself to be honest.

The main reason i ask is, our ages and situations are quite similar so I'm wondering if i have missed something or kp has.

This excellent piece from Gary Younge,pretty much mirrors my feelings on the referendum outcome.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/eu-vote-uk-diminished-politics-poisoned-racism

JAH wrote:We are still in Europe until Article 50 is triggered! Who will press the button? Borris son of a Turkish man who lived in Europe through his 20's is not going to be the one to press that button!

He has openly stated no need to rush. Why? Because he hasn't got a plan or more importantly, the know how.
I'd got right off politics since my warring ended with my local councillor on the school governors, till this lot kicked off. Now it's back as an interest and I can't believe some of the stupid remarks by leavers, see today's BN. Talk about living examples of surviving brain transplants.

Just found this:

A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.

I'd put it back where you found it to be honest. I'd thought the Leave campaigns warnings were over the top and classic Cameron trying to scare people. But Moody's downgrading of Britain to negative today, with the £ at a 31 year low along with billions wiped off stock values has put us in as precarious a position as we've been in a generation. Passages like you've just posted are absolutely grasping at straws.

Things will calm down soon hopefully, there was always going to be instability if we left. We need a plan very quickly.

BoltonTillIDie wrote:Just found this:

A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.

Where did you find this? To take one example the White House has reiterated that we will be at the 'back of the queue' to quote the Daily Telegraph and NBC News.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiaipjx88LNAhVBJcAKHZr9AL8QFggtMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2016%2F06%2F23%2Feu-referendum-what-the-world-is-saying---britains-historic-decis%2F&usg=AFQjCNGL7FrGLIsgTJXMZKDwo4gXmvC4Bw&sig2=7Ie6GRKeG-CCaVf5NFqiaQ

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiaipjx88LNAhVBJcAKHZr9AL8QqQIIIzAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fstoryline%2Fbrexit-referendum%2Fbrexit-referendum-u-k-votes-leave-european-union-historic-move-n598131&usg=AFQjCNEJyenHCVPQSacaT9KNaV7DX03xHw&sig2=g7DtclahsqcM_R3-zr2yPw

bwfc1874 wrote:I'd put it back where you found it to be honest. I'd thought the Leave campaigns warnings were over the top and classic Cameron trying to scare people. But Moody's downgrading of Britain to negative today, with the £ at a 31 year low along with billions wiped off stock values has put us in as precarious a position as we've been in a generation. Passages like you've just posted are absolutely grasping at straws.

Things will calm down soon hopefully, there was always going to be instability if we left. We need a plan very quickly.

And for those with mortgages the only way for interest rates is sung by Yazz!

See Boris or Nigeria for your plan, but don't hold your Breath! 

BoltonTillIDie wrote:Just found this:

A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.

And at what point did your alarm clock go off or are you still waiting? 
I take solace from the fact that a lot of the Brexiters will suffer the consequences of there x longer than me.

Also saw this today very appropriate I think.

I must say it is so lovely to see many of my friends insulting each other on here!!!! Be worried!!! Be angry!!! Be unsure about our future!!! But don't BE an arsehole to your friends!!! The word democracy means even "thickos" get to vote! Yes over half of the country are considered thick, uneducated racist fools!!!! And those that didn't vote need to be stoned and flogged in the street!!!! The only idiots I see are the ones unable to voice their concerns and opinions without insulting their friends and family!!!!

xmiles wrote:

BoltonTillIDie wrote:Just found this:

A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.

Where did you find this? To take one example the White House has reiterated that we will be at the 'back of the queue' to quote the Daily Telegraph and NBC News.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiaipjx88LNAhVBJcAKHZr9AL8QFggtMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2016%2F06%2F23%2Feu-referendum-what-the-world-is-saying---britains-historic-decis%2F&usg=AFQjCNGL7FrGLIsgTJXMZKDwo4gXmvC4Bw&sig2=7Ie6GRKeG-CCaVf5NFqiaQ

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiaipjx88LNAhVBJcAKHZr9AL8QqQIIIzAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fstoryline%2Fbrexit-referendum%2Fbrexit-referendum-u-k-votes-leave-european-union-historic-move-n598131&usg=AFQjCNEJyenHCVPQSacaT9KNaV7DX03xHw&sig2=g7DtclahsqcM_R3-zr2yPw

Still waiting for an answer.

Or did you just make it up?

I,for one,won't say another word. Let's wait and see what the future holds.

For every story about being "In" you'll find a matching story about being "Out". It's the nature of competition. Those who complain that the young have more rights than the elderly should not just look at this referendum but at the last GE where turnout was comparatively low. The same arguments are being put up about Proportional Representation that were put up years ago and no-one has done anything to get the system changed. In our present system it's majority, not more young, old, employed/unemployed. I'm afraid it's now suck it and see time. There's no going back so jump in and try to make it better. We have two years left from the button being pressed, but CMD has been excluded from next weeks round table so obviously we've rankled some people, but we'll get over it. We might feel hard done by right now, but since when have the Northerners ever felt different while the South seems to get the biggest slice of cake. Oh, well, footie'll be starting soon to occupy us.