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1FIFA, wrong or right? Empty FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 13:24

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
So FIFA have told both Scotland and England cannot wear poppies on their shirts on remembrance days game, it's said to be a political statement by wearing poppies, I say it's a symbol of remembrance and nothing more, so in my eyes FIFA should just fuck off and keep their noses out, what say you?

2FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 13:26

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@MartinBWFC wrote:So FIFA have told both Scotland and England cannot wear poppies on their shirts on remembrance days game, it's said to be a political statement by wearing poppies, I say it's a symbol of remembrance and nothing more, so in my eyes FIFA should just fuck off and keep their noses out, what say you?

I agree- they should keep their corrupt noses out of a domestic event. I'd say to both sides-wear the poppies and tell FIFA to sod off.

3FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 13:39

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
It's not a domestic event though, is it?

It's a FIFA World Cup Qualifier, so like it or not, their rules apply.

And if having the poppy on the shirts breaches their rules, we should abide by their decision.

Who do we think we are?

Are we so special that we deserve special dispensation just because we're British?

And anyway, why didn't the English and Scottish FA's just agree to do what happened last time this cropped up and wear (FIFA sanctioned) poppy armbands instead?

There was no need to rake all this bollocks up again.

4FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 14:24

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Tell FIFA to fuck off

5FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 15:13

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@Bread2.0 wrote:It's not a domestic event though, is it?

It's a FIFA World Cup Qualifier, so like it or not, their rules apply.

And if having the poppy on the shirts breaches their rules, we should abide by their decision.

Who do we think we are?

Are we so special that we deserve special dispensation just because we're British?

And anyway, why didn't the English and Scottish FA's just agree to do what happened last time this cropped up and wear (FIFA sanctioned) poppy armbands instead?

There was no need to rake all this bollocks up again.

It's the oldest international football game in the world- it was there decades before the corrupt FIFA organisation was ever heard of. Tell them to stick their petty rules up their corrupt arse. Wear the poppy and dare them to do something about it. They're a set of arsewipes

6FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 15:31

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Fully agree.

But it's their competition so if we want to take part, we've got an obligation to play by their rules.

If you were having a barbecue at your house and you sent invites out with "All Welcome But No Man Utd Shirts Allowed!" in big letters on them and a couple of blokes (who you didn't really like anyway because they were friends with some journos who kept trying to dig up shit on you and make you look bad in the press and possibly get you locked up) turned up wearing them, would you let them in and feed them sausages and burgers?

Or would you tell them to fuck off and go and hold their own barbecue?

7FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 15:40

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@Bread2.0 wrote:Fully agree.

But it's their competition so if we want to take part, we've got an obligation to play by their rules.

If you were having a barbecue at your house and you sent invites out with "All Welcome But No Man Utd Shirts Allowed!" in big letters on them and a couple of blokes (who you didn't really like anyway because they were friends with some journos who kept trying to dig up shit on you and make you look bad in the press and possibly get you locked up) turned up wearing them, would you let them in and feed them sausages and burgers?

Or would you tell them to fuck off and go and hold their own barbecue?

The latter- I'd show them the door.

8FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 16:06

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
we invented the game, tell FIFA to sod off  Very Happy

9FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 16:45

whatsgoingon

whatsgoingon
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@Norpig wrote:we invented the game, tell FIFA to sod off  Very Happy
The chinese

10FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 16:47

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@whatsgoingon wrote:
@Norpig wrote:we invented the game, tell FIFA to sod off  Very Happy
The chinese

.......make very good chow mein.
But they didn't invent the ancient game of futebal

11FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 16:50

whatsgoingon

whatsgoingon
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@rammywhite wrote:
@whatsgoingon wrote:
@Norpig wrote:we invented the game, tell FIFA to sod off  Very Happy
The chinese

.......make very good chow mein.
But they didn't invent the ancient game of futebal
Very Happy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35409594

12FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 17:38

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@whatsgoingon wrote:
@rammywhite wrote:
@whatsgoingon wrote:
@Norpig wrote:we invented the game, tell FIFA to sod off  Very Happy
The chinese

.......make very good chow mein.
But they didn't invent the ancient game of futebal
Very Happy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35409594
That can't be true.

China don't invent things, they only copy things. Very Happy

13FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 19:31

Fabians Right Peg

Fabians Right Peg
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
wrong, wear the poppy and tell them to get a grip, they have compromised in the past so it is clearly a cop out on FiFA's part to avoid upsetting those who may want to support displaying symbols which FIFA would not want to be associated with.

14FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 20:18

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I think the argument should be taken to FIFA that their premise of the poppy being a political symbol is wrong. It has never been a political statement, even in the broadest sense. It is a mark of respect for the fallen, of, now, all conflicts in which our forces died, and the poppy symbol is taken from the abundance of them, seen growing in the killing fields of France.

15FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 21:40

Guest


Guest
Unfortunately the red poppy has been politicised in the same way the white one has, although I completely support wearing one and would prefer if both sides did, FIFA's stance on any political display is relevant here.

16FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 21:41

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Well somebody has to put the other side to this, so I will.

What is all the fuss about? Does it really matter? Putting the poppy on shirts just looks like a gimmick to me not a genuine attempt to respect the memory of those who died for their country.

It all seems to be part of the current desire to show we "care" by ostentatious displays of bogus emotion. Remember when Princess Di died? It's got a lot worse since then. Also why do people in the public eye feel the need to wear a poppy from late October onwards? Probably because they are scared of the abuse that they will receive if they don't.

17FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 21:44

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Lest we forget.

18FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 21:52

Guest


Guest
@xmiles wrote:Well somebody has to put the other side to this, so I will.

What is all the fuss about? Does it really matter? Putting the poppy on shirts just looks like a gimmick to me not a genuine attempt to respect the memory of those who died for their country.

It all seems to be part of the current desire to show we "care" by ostentatious displays of bogus emotion. Remember when Princess Di died? It's got a lot worse since then. Also why do people in the public eye feel the need to wear a poppy from late October onwards? Probably because they are scared of the abuse that they will receive if they don't.

Well said miles, interesting article on how the choice of an individual is important-

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/01/wearing-poppy-meaningful-voluntary-footballers?CMP=fb_gu

19FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Tue Nov 01 2016, 23:58

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Lest we forget.

20FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 06:07

Fabians Right Peg

Fabians Right Peg
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Reebok Trotter wrote:Lest we forget.

:clap:

21FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 08:17

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@whatsgoingon wrote:
@rammywhite wrote:
@Norpig wrote:we invented the game, tell FIFA to sod off  Very Happy
The chinese
But they didn't invent the ancient game of futebal
Very Happy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35409594
Because its form the BBC it doesn't mean it's accurate. The rules for football as we know it were laid down in this country and therefore we are the originators and founders if the game as we understand it today.
I still say sod FIFA (lets call it FEXIT) and wear the poppy with pride.

22FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 09:12

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@xmiles wrote:Well somebody has to put the other side to this, so I will.

What is all the fuss about? Does it really matter? Putting the poppy on shirts just looks like a gimmick to me not a genuine attempt to respect the memory of those who died for their country.

It all seems to be part of the current desire to show we "care" by ostentatious displays of bogus emotion. Remember when Princess Di died? It's got a lot worse since then. Also why do people in the public eye feel the need to wear a poppy from late October onwards? Probably because they are scared of the abuse that they will receive if they don't.

I've not heard anyone say they will be victimized, or suffer any ill effects, if they don't wear a poppy. If people don't want to wear a poppy, so be it. However, this example is about a federation who do want to wear it. Surely the argument should be that they are being refused a legitimate request, based on a need for them, and the players, who want to showing respect for the fallen.
I really don't understand why nowadays, every single decision, in every walk of life has to be argued over, and worse, the minority voices are usually taken as the rule of thumb. No wonder we have so many problems in this country.

23FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 09:46

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Well somebody has to put the other side to this, so I will.

What is all the fuss about? Does it really matter? Putting the poppy on shirts just looks like a gimmick to me not a genuine attempt to respect the memory of those who died for their country.

It all seems to be part of the current desire to show we "care" by ostentatious displays of bogus emotion. Remember when Princess Di died? It's got a lot worse since then. Also why do people in the public eye feel the need to wear a poppy from late October onwards? Probably because they are scared of the abuse that they will receive if they don't.

I've not heard anyone say they will be victimized, or suffer any ill effects, if they don't wear a poppy. If people don't want to wear a poppy, so be it. However, this example is about a federation who do want to wear it. Surely the argument should be that they are being refused a legitimate request, based on a need for them, and the players, who want to showing respect for the fallen.
I really don't understand why nowadays, every single decision, in every walk of life has to be argued over, and worse, the minority voices are usually taken as the rule of thumb. No wonder we have so many problems in this country.

Glos nails it for me!  :agree:

24FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 10:02

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@gloswhite wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Well somebody has to put the other side to this, so I will.

What is all the fuss about? Does it really matter? Putting the poppy on shirts just looks like a gimmick to me not a genuine attempt to respect the memory of those who died for their country.

It all seems to be part of the current desire to show we "care" by ostentatious displays of bogus emotion. Remember when Princess Di died? It's got a lot worse since then. Also why do people in the public eye feel the need to wear a poppy from late October onwards? Probably because they are scared of the abuse that they will receive if they don't.

I've not heard anyone say they will be victimized, or suffer any ill effects, if they don't wear a poppy.

Plenty of examples of abuse here:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi5jInn54nQAhULK8AKHfSqAJIQFggxMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fmagazine-34720464&usg=AFQjCNFW50dYyp5tEeDzUMztrevchATdaQ&sig2=wgdTMszFflyQLxVKLvhwTg

25FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 10:39

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
i remember a news reader getting a lot of flak last year for not wearing a poppy, can't remember her name but she is on ITV news i think?

It does seem to be an unwritten rule that if you are in the public eye you have to wear one

26FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 10:41

whatsgoingon

whatsgoingon
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
The poppy is merely a symbol of respect, if there is an issue with FIFA about it being integrated into the kit (you would have thought FIFA had bigger things to worry about) then show respect in another way.
Hold a minutes silence before the game or the last post over the tannoy, the poppy isn't the only way to show respect, and then make a point of all the players wearing one as they leave the stadium and publicise the pictures.
This has all the hallmarks of using the symbol as part of a political pissing contest and that shows disrespect not respect.



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27FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 10:42

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:i remember a news reader getting a lot of flak last year for not wearing a poppy, can't remember her name but she is on ITV news i think?
Charlene White, it's in Xmiles link above.

28FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 11:03

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@whatsgoingon wrote:The poppy is merely a symbol of respect, if there is an issue with FIFA about it being integrated into the kit (you would have thought FIFA had bigger things to worry about) then show respect in another way.
Hold a minutes silence before the game or the last post over the tannoy, the poppy isn't the only way to show respect, and then make a point of all the players wearing one as they leave the stadium and publicise the pictures.
This has all the hallmarks of using the symbol as part of a political pissing contest and that shows disrespect not respect.

:agree:

29FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 11:54

Guest


Guest
@whatsgoingon wrote:The poppy is merely a symbol of respect, if there is an issue with FIFA about it being integrated into the kit (you would have thought FIFA had bigger things to worry about) then show respect in another way.
Hold a minutes silence before the game or the last post over the tannoy, the poppy isn't the only way to show respect, and then make a point of all the players wearing one as they leave the stadium and publicise the pictures.
This has all the hallmarks of using the symbol as part of a political pissing contest and that shows disrespect not respect.

Best post you've ever made.

30FIFA, wrong or right? Empty Re: FIFA, wrong or right? on Wed Nov 02 2016, 11:55

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
What they said.

:clap:

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