Championship: Up & Down?

Sluffy, really can't agree with anyone having a pop at Coyle for sending Holden training gear in the post.

Just seems like nit-picking to me.

Lots of relevant points/criticisms in your posts but you (and others) on here kind of give themselves away as unimpartial/got the knives out by moaning about things like that, which are either a positive or an irrelevance.

Coyle appears to have been trying to find the right midfielder for over a month now. K Cisse, C Sanches, J Spearing.

I feel sure we will sign one on or before deadline day, the only issue is will it be someone quality who has been well scouted, or will it be a panic signing who clearly has no role but adds an extra body.

largehat wrote:Sluffy, really can't agree with anyone having a pop at Coyle for sending Holden training gear in the post.

Just seems like nit-picking to me.

Lots of relevant points/criticisms in your posts but you (and others) on here kind of give themselves away as unimpartial/got the knives out by moaning about things like that, which are either a positive or an irrelevance.

Don't care what you think mate to be tbh.

I would have done it in his position.

Being a manager involves people skills - Coyle is dealing with young male millionaires.

Do you think your star player will get the 'feel good factor' when his training top shows up in the post from his manager or do you think he might think more of it if he turned up on your doorstep with it himself and possibly bring one or two of the lads along as well?

He probably gets calls from Coyle and Skype and other such social media contacts but there really is nothing better to make you feel important than someone to go out of there way to see you personally.

It's the little things that are the most important to people and what they remember the longest - seems that neither you or Coyle know nor understand this.

Anyway I hope the mailman's delivered his two shirts and training top by now, I'm sure he's been dying to try them on!

Sluffy wrote:
It's the little things that are the most important to people and what they remember the longest - seems that neither you or Coyle know nor understand this.

I don't know, you'd have to ask some of the (off the top of my head) 200 or so people I've managed in the last 10 years whether I understand whether to make people feel important or not. I do know for a fact that none of the people who've ever worked for me have ever made a complaint about me and that I've won awards, but don't let what you don't know about someone get in the way of a generalisation in a post about training kit delivery methods.

You describe the training kit as "turning up in the post", blithely assuming that Holden was sat at home one day scratching his millionaire arse and there wsa a courier at the door with a large parcel. How do you know Coyle didn't ring him in advance?

We DO know that Coyle wrote a letter to accompany the training kit, this seems like a strange thing to do for someone who you describe as having no idea about "the little things". What was he thinking? He should have just stuck one of those compliment slips in you get when you order something from the club shop.

As I say, you just read something about Coyle and assume the worst because of your knives out agenda - that's my opinion, of course it would have been nice to spend thousands of pounds flying Coyle and team mates over to Texas to hand deliver the parcel, I seem to remember you and others having a major issue with taking the players on a training trip to the Middle East late last season on the basis of cost. Can't do right for doing wrong really if your name is Coyle.

Do you actual read posts fully first or just go off on one after the first sentence?

I’ve already dealt with these points in my previous post –

largehat wrote:
You describe the training kit as "turning up in the post", blithely assuming that Holden was sat at home one day scratching his millionaire arse and there wsa a courier at the door with a large parcel. How do you know Coyle didn't ring him in advance?

We DO know that Coyle wrote a letter to accompany the training kit, this seems like a strange thing to do for someone who you describe as having no idea about "the little things". What was he thinking? He should have just stuck one of those compliment slips in you get when you order something from the club shop.

　

Sluffy wrote:He probably gets calls from Coyle and Skype and other such social media contacts but there really is nothing better to make you feel important than someone to go out of there way to see you personally.

largehat wrote:
As I say, you just read something about Coyle and assume the worst because of your knives out agenda - that's my opinion, of course it would have been nice to spend thousands of pounds flying Coyle and team mates over to Texas to hand deliver the parcel, I seem to remember you and others having a major issue with taking the players on a training trip to the Middle East late last season on the basis of cost. Can't do right for doing wrong really if your name is Coyle.

As for this I think there may be massive difference prise wise between paying for the WHOLE of the squad and backroom staff to go to the Middle East (and what fucking good did it do them results wise!) and Coyle and maybe one or two others popping over to the States to see a much valued and long term injured colleague!

　

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largehat wrote:
I don't know, you'd have to ask some of the (off the top of my head) 200 or so people I've managed in the last 10 years whether I understand whether to make people feel important or not. I do know for a fact that none of the people who've ever worked for me have ever made a complaint about me and that I've won awards, but don't let what you don't know about someone get in the way of a generalisation in a post about training kit delivery methods.

Well if you’ve been dealing with 200, twenty something year old millionaires, then I will stand corrected by you but somehow I doubt you have.

Management of resources has to be relevant to the environment in which you are in. They give out awards at McDonalds for management I believe, I’m not sure that this would necessarily mean that they are good managers in say a professional environment – or indeed visa versa.

The people I’ve met with the best inter personal skills usually have received no training in it what so ever, they are born with a natural ability to make people feel special.

I’m sure Stuart felt really special when the mailman called with his parcel though!

Sluffy wrote:Do you actual read posts fully first or just go off on one after the first sentence?

Yes I do actually. If I read your posts and then disagree, it's my right to say why. 2 replies from you and 2 unnecessary comments about me personally now, Sluffy. Not great.

Sluffy wrote:
I’ve already dealt with these points in my previous post –

He probably gets calls from Coyle and Skype and other such social media contacts but there really is nothing better to make you feel important than someone to go out of there way to see you personally.

I don't think you did "deal with this point", I can't see anything about writing a letter in there - apologies if I have missed that, but writing a letter is considered far more personal than social media and Skype IMO. If you disagree, fine, just say that.

Sluffy wrote:
As for this I think there may be massive difference prise wise between paying for the WHOLE of the squad and backroom staff to go to the Middle East (and what fucking good did it do them results wise!) and Coyle and maybe one or two others popping over to the States to see a much valued and long term injured colleague!

Yes, of course there is a massive price difference between transporting 3-4 people to the USA and 30-odd people to the Middle East.

However, at a time when the club was making staff redundant, you're wanting the club to have spent crazy money on people delivering a parcel in person, I think that can be far more easily described as wasteful than a football training camp for footballers to get warm weather training.
　

Sluffy wrote:
Well if you’ve been dealing with 200, twenty something year old millionaires, then I will stand corrected by you but somehow I doubt you have.

No not really, you don't have to manage millionaires to appreciate that (to quote you) :

"It's the little things that are the most important to people and what they remember the longest - seems that neither you or Coyle know nor understand this"

You're on very thin ground making blind assumptions about me or anyone else, you can speak about someone like Coyle with knowledge because his work is in the public eye - mine isn't, and on a general note it's unwise just to assume you're talking to someone who "doesn't know or doesn't understand" something just because they happen to disagree with you - a bit patronising really.

Sluffy wrote:
Management of resources has to be relevant to the environment in which you are in. They give out awards at McDonalds for management I believe, I’m not sure that this would necessarily mean that they are good managers in say a professional environment – or indeed visa versa.

Not that I've ever worked for McDonalds or anyone in their industry, but I don't doubt they have some very strong managers in such a successful company.

Jesus, you just argue for arguing’s sake.

I've made my point.

I think most people will accept it and quite frankly I just don't give a stuff what you think (and I doubt very much that I'm the only one that feels that way as well).

It's you who are the one whose arguing just for the sake of it trying to put me right remember!

As far as I'm concerned, I thought I was just having a chat with someone about the football and Coyle. I think your criticism of Coyle for posting Holden his training kit is unfair. I've explained why I think so.

Your posts have an agitated tone and contain a number of personal remarks about me.

Which doesn't really tally with someone who keeps saying they don\t give a shit what I think.

I think you've got me completely wrong, but I can't do a lot about that, Like you say, you've made your point, I've drawn conclusions from our discussion, no doubt you have and no doubt others will do the same.

Hat quote ;- 'I don't know, you'd have to ask some of the (off the top of my head) 200 or so people I've managed in the last 10 years whether I understand whether to make people feel important or not'.

I think the only person Hat could make feel important is Hat.

More from Hat :-
'I think you've got me completely wrong, but I can't do a lot about that, Like you say, you've made your point, I've drawn conclusions from our discussion, no doubt you have and no doubt others will do the same'.

What a condescending thing to say. I'm only glad that I haven't been one of 200 or so people that Hat has made feel important.


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Oh I don't know, butty, you might well be one of the 200. You're obviously a self important prick. You either inherited that trait or you picked it up from somewhere.

Sluffy wrote:Well the proof is in the pudding Hipster, I suppose.

I'm sure you would agree he should have got cover for Holden - if not last summer, certainly in January - and he didn't - and it cost us big time.

He's since lost Muamba and NRC - with just Andrews in.

Yes he's got Vela - not even on the bench first two games - Ream - tried in midfield for us and I think you will agree - failed there, and Pratley who has done nothing but disappoint up to now.

My initial point was that surely Coyle has got other targets on his list other than The Rock, who did nothing other than fanny around - so why didn't he just move on to the next midfielder identified?

Yes, there are wages to be paid and maybe a transfer fee to be found but surely that's going to be the price we will have to pay because on the evidence of the first three games our current midfield doesn't contribute either in the creation of goals or the protection of defence - no wonder Knight, Mears and Bogdan have been told to lump it over their heads to the forwards!

We aren't going to get promotion with the tactics and the team we have right now - and you can gladly quote me on that.

You make some good points there Sluffy, and i agree about "the rock" pursuit.

And you know how i feel about the way we play football, I'm not impressed so there's common ground there.

Maybe I'm just more naive or more forgiving, call it what you will but i like Coyle the man, i do genuinely think he's doing his best, i do think he wants the very best for the club. The question is whether he's capable, and so far the answer has been no, but i'll still wait for that 10 game mark and then have my say i think.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:i'll still wait for that 10 game mark and then have my say i think.

Do you do the same with women? Give them 10 dates and then make a decision?

Of course not, you decide after one, two or maybe three dates.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:i'll still wait for that 10 game mark and then have my say i think.

Do you do the same with women? Give them 10 dates and then make a decision?

Of course not, you decide after one, two or maybe three dates.

You really judge your dates the same way you judge the competence of a football manager Tash? It seems a strangely impersonal world you inhabit m'dear.

TheHateCamel wrote:

You really judge your dates the same way you judge the competence of a football manager Tash? It seems a strangely impersonal world you inhabit m'dear.

I judge everything the same way. 3 strikes and then you're out.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:
... or he wasn't able too.

If you realised your whole season was resting on getting a holding midfielder you'd go out and do it.

Even if it was NRC?

wanderlust wrote:

Even if it was NRC?

Apart from him. He wasn't very good anyway, we need someone more mobile.

Here's Stu with his shirts.

looks happy to me!

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Treasure that, it'll be the last time you see him in a Wanderers shirt.