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1Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sun Jan 06 2019, 21:28

Nigelbwfc


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Apparently Christian Doidge has returned to Forest Green Rovers.

Bolton haven't paid his wages in four months, according to the Forest Green Rovers chairman, nor have they honoured any of the transfer agreement.

What the heck is going on? Another embarrassment for the club

Sluffy

Sluffy
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It's true.

Statement from FGR owner -

From Monday morning, Christian Doidge is back with FGR. We've taken the decision to recall him after his loan agreement expired last week amid continual contractual breaches by Bolton Wanderers.
It became clear to us that Bolton entered into a contract to loan and then buy Christian last August without the means to honour it, and perhaps the intention to do so as well. They haven't even paid his wages for the last four months (we have).
It's not just FGR that have been let down badly by Bolton, but Christian too.
Bolton's Chairman, Ken Anderson, made a lot of promises on the last day of the transfer window, both to Christian and FGR, and has kept none of them. This is all his work and from talking to Ken he feels immune from the consequences - but some of these promises are written in legally binding contracts, and we'll be pursuing them.
When the dust settles, we'll talk to the EFL about how they regulate clubs like Bolton. They already regulate the club to a degree, controlling all TV monies to make sure that football debts get paid. Hard not to wonder whether the league could also have a role in approving the terms of any contracts entered into - to make sure that they are actually within the means of the club. We had no way to know, but the EFL should have the inside view on that.
And finally (for now...) - Disappointing as it is to see this go pear shaped, both for FGR and Christian, I'm also excited by the prospect of the second half of the season with Christian back with us. I'm sure all FGR fans everywhere will join me in welcoming him back

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xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
I have stayed out of the debate about Anderson until now but this is the final straw for me. It seems that you cannot believe anything he says.

There is a very real chance that we will be punished in some way due to his actions and administration is not an impossibility.

Sad and depressing times ahead I fear.

Nigelbwfc


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I have stayed out of the debate about Anderson until now but this is the final straw for me. It seems that you cannot believe anything he says.

There is a very real chance that we will be punished in some way due to his actions and administration is not an impossibility.

Sad and depressing times ahead I fear.
I've tried to keep an even hand and even wrote a tweet ( for all the good it will do) to try and get a statement from the club's point of view.

We were told by the chairman that the club will make a small profit at the end of the seasons. That seems very unlikely.

I though, I have to say losing patience with the fella. The club are now the biggest joke in football and it's hard to see why any footballer would want to come here and why any club would want to do business with us. 

This is not just an insult to Norwich and Forest Green Rovers, or the players, but it's an insult to previous owners, to Nat Lofthouse and most of all the fans.

The chances are the club will not be trusted on the transfer front, it can't pay and won't pay. How can it be trusted on such matters now, unless the Anderson's go? 

Even then new owners will have to put major money up front to get anyone in.

This really is embarrassing for the fans and a huge blow to a once proud foitbafo club.



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BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
What a joke.

whatsgoingon

whatsgoingon
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I have stayed out of the debate about Anderson until now but this is the final straw for me. It seems that you cannot believe anything he says.

There is a very real chance that we will be punished in some way due to his actions and administration is not an impossibility.

Sad and depressing times ahead I fear.

the opportunity for admin has passed, it has to be funded and there's no way he will, so the next winding up petition (which there is an HMRC one against the hotel and reportedly another to follow for the club) will lead to liquidation without someone stepping in

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
We will paying players by the minutes they play next.  No bonuses, no long term contracts.  League One is the next stop... unless someone steps up and buys the club.

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:It's true.

Statement from FGR owner -

From Monday morning, Christian Doidge is back with FGR. We've taken the decision to recall him after his loan agreement expired last week amid continual contractual breaches by Bolton Wanderers.
It became clear to us that Bolton entered into a contract to loan and then buy Christian last August without the means to honour it, and perhaps the intention to do so as well. They haven't even paid his wages for the last four months (we have).
It's not just FGR that have been let down badly by Bolton, but Christian too.
Bolton's Chairman, Ken Anderson, made a lot of promises on the last day of the transfer window, both to Christian and FGR, and has kept none of them. This is all his work and from talking to Ken he feels immune from the consequences - but some of these promises are written in legally binding contracts, and we'll be pursuing them.
When the dust settles, we'll talk to the EFL about how they regulate clubs like Bolton. They already regulate the club to a degree, controlling all TV monies to make sure that football debts get paid. Hard not to wonder whether the league could also have a role in approving the terms of any contracts entered into - to make sure that they are actually within the means of the club. We had no way to know, but the EFL should have the inside view on that.
And finally (for now...) - Disappointing as it is to see this go pear shaped, both for FGR and Christian, I'm also excited by the prospect of the second half of the season with Christian back with us. I'm sure all FGR fans everywhere will join me in welcoming him back

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And your defence of Anderson is....?

Growler


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
An Interesting point from Dale Vince that the EFL control all TV monies paid to   Bolton to ensure all football debts get paid.

I think the EFL need to take tighter control of the club's finances and make sure the money is being spent correctly ie on contracts Anderson hasn't honoured.From what Dale Vince says it seems Anderson has no intention to pay Doidge and Forest Green what he owes then when he gets his hands on the TV money

10Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 08:48

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Anderson slammed as Christian Doidge deal collapses at Bolton Wanderers

Forest Green chairman Dale Vince has slammed Wanderers for not honouring their deal to sign Christian Doidge – and says he will be back with the club from this morning.

Wanderers have been accused of contractual breaches, with Vince claiming he has paid the 26-year-old striker’s wages in the four months he has been at the club.

Doidge has recently bought a house in the Bolton area – but was told on Thursday that he could not be registered for Saturday’s FA Cup game against Walsall because the club was in a registration embargo.

Regardless, sources at the club were confident the issue would be sorted this week – briefing local media on Saturday.

Vince then released this statement on Sunday evening.

“From Monday morning, Christian Doidge is back with FGR,” he said. “We've taken the decision to recall him after his loan agreement expired last week amid continual contractual breaches by Bolton Wanderers.

“It became clear to us that Bolton entered into a contract to loan and then buy Christian last August without the means to honour it, and perhaps the intention to do so as well. They haven't even paid his wages for the last four months (we have).

It's not just FGR that have been let down badly by Bolton, but Christian too.

“Bolton's Chairman, Ken Anderson, made a lot of promises on the last day of the transfer window, both to Christian and FGR, and has kept none of them.

“This is all his work and from talking to Ken he feels immune from the consequences - but some of these promises are written in legally binding contracts, and we'll be pursuing them.

“When the dust settles, we'll talk to the EFL (English Football League about how they regulate clubs like Bolton. They already regulate the club to a degree, controlling all TV monies to make sure that football debts get paid.

“Hard not to wonder whether the league could also have a role in approving the terms of any contracts entered into - to make sure that they are actually within the means of the club. We had no way to know, but the EFL should have the inside view on that.

“And finally (for now...) - Disappointing as it is to see this go pear shaped, both for FGR and Christian, I'm also excited by the prospect of the second half of the season with Christian back with us. I'm sure all FGR fans everywhere will join me in welcoming him back.”

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11Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 09:48

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I didn't think we could sink lower- but we have. This is shameful behaviour- it seems to be downright lies from the start from KA. Many of you have debated whether he's fit or not to run the football club, but if all of the above is true then he's clearly not.
I don't know if he'll go or not but the only emotion that I'll feel whilst he's on the premises is shame.



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12Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 09:51

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Sluffy's silence is deafening.

13Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 10:30

Growler


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sluffy's silence is deafening.
He was making excuses for Anderson's behavior last night.He said the reason Anderson didn't honour the contract was the  death of Eddie Davies harmed his finances

14Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 10:54

Nigelbwfc


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I didn't think we could sink lower- but we have. This is shameful behaviour- it seems to be downright lies from the start from KA. Many of you have debated whether he's fit or not to run the football club, but if all of the above is true then he's clearly not.
I don't know if he'll go or not but the only emotion that I'll feel whilst he's on the premises is shame.
I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

If he'd said in the summer that there's no money in the kitty for signings, then fair enough.

HiwevHo, first we chased Charlie Wyke, then another until we ended up with Doidge.

We were told that Ken had paid the wages in November, only to discover, he hadn't and that the PFA had paid them after all. 

The question now is can we encourage debtors to come forward and enforce admin proceedings? 

The supporters trust could probably pay for the charges. Assets would have to be sold and other than the training ground and the stadium there doesn't seem much left to flog.

15Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 11:59

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
A thought for Christian Doidge who has apparently bought a house in the area on the back of Anderson's promises. He joins a long list of players, suppliers, investors and others who Toadface has shafted. Fortunately I believe Christian doesn't have a wife and kids for Anderson to drag through the shit.

16Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 12:03

Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sluffy's silence is deafening.

Hahaha

What a plonker!

Fwiw, I've had a nice lie in this morning.

Nice to know you hang on my every word though!

:biggrin:


17Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 12:19

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
Hahaha

What a plonker!

Fwiw, I've had a nice lie in this morning.  

Nice to know you hang on my every word though!

:biggrin:


Oh dear God.

18Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 12:28

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
Hahaha

What a plonker!

Fwiw, I've had a nice lie in this morning.  

Nice to know you hang on my every word though!

:biggrin:


Oh dear God.

FWIW I had a nice lie in too, but not with Ken.

19Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 16:07

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Doidge has been well and truly shafted by KA, he's bought a house in the area as well! He doesn't deserve this that's for sure. I hope he gets the chance to prove himself at a higher level again at a well run club.

20Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 20:43

doffcocker

doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
It's worth saying that Doidge has done a respectable job to date. We've had plenty of players who were better on paper but not nearly as useful for us.

Fair play to him for giving 100% despite whatever's happening off the pitch.

21Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Mon Jan 07 2019, 22:24

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
This says it all:

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Great quote from their chairman and who could disagree?

"[It] reminds me of Theresa May saying she'll still get a Brexit deal. It's not going to happen"

22Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Tue Jan 08 2019, 02:04

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:This says it all:

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Great quote from their chairman and who could disagree?

"[It] reminds me of Theresa May saying she'll still get a Brexit deal. It's not going to happen"
Hasn't there been a suggestion in the BN that the club "feel relaxed" about getting the deal back on track? How could they even suggest that? How thick does Anderson think folk are?

Maybe it will happen - after all anything is possible - but I'm struggling to see how.

23Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sat Jan 12 2019, 22:45

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Question. How did the league approve the initial deal in the first place if they knew we're under a registration embargo? I'm not defending KA here, I simply find it strange that the EFL would say yes to a loan to buy deal if they knew it could NOT be completed.

It strikes me that there seems to be a lot of 'pass the buck' going on around the club as a whole not just this deal and while Ken is certainly to blame for some if not most of it he's far from alone in failing to adhere to his responsibilities.

Finally where did the embargo come from? It was my understanding the transfer embargo had been lifted last summer from what both the club and EFL said. Did I miss something?

24Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sat Jan 12 2019, 23:04

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
We weren’t under embargo when we signed Doidge initially.

25Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sat Jan 12 2019, 23:46

Kane57

Kane57
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Being treated like shit aside - he was rubbish for us.

26Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sun Jan 13 2019, 00:17

Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Being treated like shit aside - he was rubbish for us.

We might still sign him yet!

I actually don't think that is as stupid as it sounds.

I think KA will have to offer the £250,000 when the EFL money arrives, so he can say he stuck to his side of the mutually agreed change of payment date in the deal, if the case ended up in court.

Doidge according to Vince did the deal behind his back and wanted to come to Bolton because we offered him a much better deal.  I guess that would mean he goes back to the FGR deal he was on if he stayed there.  (Before anyone says we didn't pay him, he and all other footballers are guaranteed wages no matter what, which are underwritten by the PFA if there is not enough to pay them under the football creditor rule if the club defaulted long term).

So he is ambitious enough to want to move on from FGR and he liked the money he could earn more than at FGR too.

Vince cannot sell Doidge in this window because he can't play for any other club this season because he's already played for FGR before we signed him.

So I think we have to make the offer, Doidge does want the money with us and Vince may want the cash Doidge sale would have brought in (£750,000 as it seems we were down to make three payments of £250,000?) - particularly now the fact seems to be he can't hack it at Championship level (?) with a 1 in 17 record with us so far.

Stranger things have happened I suppose?

27Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sun Jan 13 2019, 07:59

Kane57

Kane57
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Just because we can doesn't mean we should. One goal.i. 17 is pathetic and should be a barrier to us going back. Once bitten and all that

28Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sun Jan 13 2019, 09:39

Dunkels King

Dunkels King
Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Just because we can doesn't mean we should. One goal.i. 17 is pathetic and should be a barrier to us going back. Once bitten and all that

The problem is we might not have a choice if there is a contract. It depends if the contract was nullified, or just put on hold whilst the embargo is in place.

29Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sun Jan 13 2019, 09:54

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Just because we can doesn't mean we should. One goal in 17 is pathetic and should be a barrier to us going back. Once bitten and all that

It's more 'forced' upon KA to make the payment offer, rather than probably 'desired', if he wants to possibly stand up in court one day in the future and say something like 'we had contracted to buy Doidge on the 3rd Jan but realised we had cash flow issues to be able to do that so reached an a verbal agreement with Vince to complete the purchase on the 16th when the EFL payment was made - which we did but FGR would no longer sell him to us.  We therefore didn't break the contract - they did'.

Of course if he doesn't plan on being about for long he could simply think 'Fuck Vince', not make the offer and let someone else sort out the 'disagreement' after he's gone!

30Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers Empty Re: Doidge gone back to Forest Green Rovers on Sun Jan 13 2019, 15:09

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Just because we can doesn't mean we should. One goal in 17 is pathetic and should be a barrier to us going back. Once bitten and all that

It's more 'forced' upon KA to make the payment offer, rather than probably 'desired', if he wants to possibly stand up in court one day in the future and say something like 'we had contracted to buy Doidge on the 3rd Jan but realised we had cash flow issues to be able to do that so reached an a verbal agreement with Vince to complete the purchase on the 16th when the EFL payment was made - which we did but FGR would no longer sell him to us.  We therefore didn't break the contract - they did'.

Of course if he doesn't plan on being about for long he could simply think 'Fuck Vince', not make the offer and let someone else sort out the 'disagreement' after he's gone!
Sluffy, do you know how much we receive from the EFL over a season and when the payments are made?

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