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1Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Tue Mar 05 2019, 15:38

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
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2Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Tue Mar 05 2019, 18:32

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Ha ha a "leading Tory" ok. 

This is always brought up by hard left labour loons to try and counter their own deep seated hatred of Jews and Israel.

3Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Tue Mar 05 2019, 22:29

gloswhite

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Jay Jay Okocha
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Wasn't Warsi in trouble a year or so ago with regards to her expenses, (possibly something else)?

4Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Tue Mar 05 2019, 22:42

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Ha ha a "leading Tory" ok. 

This is always brought up by hard left labour loons to try and counter their own deep seated hatred of Jews and Israel.

Both sides have their nutters, any idiot can see that.

5Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Tue Mar 05 2019, 23:28

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
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She was Chair of the Conservative Party. I reckon that counts as a leading Toerag.

Or is that an inconvenient fact? Or doesn't she count because she's a Muslim?

6Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Tue Mar 05 2019, 23:30

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Wasn't Warsi in trouble a year or so ago with regards to her expenses, (possibly something else)?
No she was accused of it but was formally cleared. 

Not that it would affect the validity of her opinion anyway.

7Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Wed Mar 06 2019, 07:34

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Ha ha a "leading Tory" ok. 

This is always brought up by hard left labour loons to try and counter their own deep seated hatred of Jews and Israel.

Both sides have their nutters, any idiot can see that.

Obviously. But none of these views are shared by the leadership of the party. Those trying to compare this to labours AS crisis are reaching.

8Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Wed Mar 06 2019, 07:40

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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@wanderlust wrote:She was Chair of the Conservative Party. I reckon that counts as a leading Toerag.

Or is that an inconvenient fact? Or doesn't she count because she's a Muslim?

Shes the Tory equivalent of Shami Chakrabarti but as much as it pains me to say it... Much much less intelligent. 

Her being a Muslim has nothing to do with it apart from obviously her faith has driven the major decisions in her political life. All power to her but she's talking absolute shit on this issue and I would question the motive.

9Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Wed Mar 06 2019, 08:08

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Ha ha a "leading Tory" ok. 

This is always brought up by hard left labour loons to try and counter their own deep seated hatred of Jews and Israel.

Both sides have their nutters, any idiot can see that.

Obviously. But none of these views are shared by the leadership of the party. Those trying to compare this to labours AS crisis are reaching.

Again, it’s desperate to claim the Labour leadership is anti-Semitic. It’s like calling Teresa May a racist for her constant attacks on immigrants.

10Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Wed Mar 06 2019, 08:49

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
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I don't think anyone has accused the Labour leadership of being anti-Semitic. It is the fact that Corbyn and his fan club have not only failed to deal with anti-semiticism in the party but lied to Hodge about not being involved in the disciplinary process.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiGvr7EkO3gAhUfQxUIHaEzDWkQ0PADMAF6BAgAEAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-politics-47451023&usg=AOvVaw3xR0KvTQqf4OahJRTUmeux

11Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Wed Mar 06 2019, 09:54

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Ha ha a "leading Tory" ok. 

This is always brought up by hard left labour loons to try and counter their own deep seated hatred of Jews and Israel.

Both sides have their nutters, any idiot can see that.

Obviously. But none of these views are shared by the leadership of the party. Those trying to compare this to labours AS crisis are reaching.

Again, it’s desperate to claim the Labour leadership is anti-Semitic. It’s like calling Teresa May a racist for her constant attacks on immigrants.

It isn't desperate; Jewish labour MPs don't think it's desperate. Jewish labour voters (of the few who remain) don't think it's desperate. Unless of course they're lying. 

And what race is an "immigrant" anyway.

12Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Wed Mar 06 2019, 23:45

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
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The Tories are and always have been more racist, sectarian, sexist and snobbish than Labour though haven't they HN? Smile

13Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Thu Mar 07 2019, 23:03

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Ha ha a "leading Tory" ok. 

This is always brought up by hard left labour loons to try and counter their own deep seated hatred of Jews and Israel.

Both sides have their nutters, any idiot can see that.

Obviously. But none of these views are shared by the leadership of the party. Those trying to compare this to labours AS crisis are reaching.

Again, it’s desperate to claim the Labour leadership is anti-Semitic. It’s like calling Teresa May a racist for her constant attacks on immigrants.

It isn't desperate; Jewish labour MPs don't think it's desperate. Jewish labour voters (of the few who remain) don't think it's desperate. Unless of course they're lying. 

And what race is an "immigrant" anyway.

Some Jewish MPs and voters, not all. And that’s the point. There are some seriously offensive left wing Labour supporters, they’re cunts.

It doesn’t mean everyone else in the party is an anti-Semite. The Labour Party has always been and remains the party for anti-racism, that will not change however hard you want to push it.

14Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 07:43

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The way they've deal with this proves that to be absolute rubbish.

15Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 07:45

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
It hasn’t been dealt with well, but that doesn’t prove anything you’re saying.

16Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 09:39

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Why would the party of "anti racism" turn a blind eye to racism with instructions from the leaders office to do so.

17Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 09:42

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sounds like a proper row at Scottish Labour conference over the leadership's attempts to stop a debate on anti-semitism. Eastwood CLP (which has the largest Jewish population in Scotland) table emergency motion, which has been knocked by the party's executive committee.

Hmm strange.

18Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 10:28

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Why would the party of "anti racism" turn a blind eye to racism with instructions from the leaders office to do so.

That hasn’t happened, you’re so desperate to have a go you’re having to invent things.

19Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 12:31

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Why would the party of "anti racism" turn a blind eye to racism with instructions from the leaders office to do so.

That hasn’t happened, you’re so desperate to have a go you’re having to invent things.

And people accuse leave voters of being cult like. Crikey.

20Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 13:04

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Feel free to provide evidence.

21Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 13:27

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Urm just scroll up to the post by xmiles. It was quite a big story.

22Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 15:16

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Firstly we don’t know if that’s true. Even if it is we don’t know if Corbyn was involved. And without seeing the example itself we don’t know whether the ‘racism’ (anti-semitism) in question was legitimate.

It’s not evidence, it’s a claim.

23Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 15:28

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@T.R.O.Y wrote:Firstly we don’t know if that’s true. Even if it is we don’t know if Corbyn was involved. And without seeing the example itself we don’t know whether the ‘racism’ (anti-semitism) in question was legitimate.

It’s not evidence, it’s a claim.

Have you actually read the Observer article? It seems pretty clear they did interfere.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/02/new-labour-party-row-over-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn

24Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic Empty Re: Tories "institutionally" Islamaphobic on Fri Mar 08 2019, 16:19

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Ye I don’t understand your issue to be honest. A handful of cases still followed the old process of consulting the leaders office after Formby had come in - it even says:

“It has also been suggested that in some cases Murray and Formby’s official believed the recommended sanctions should be strengthened”

So we’re now accusing the party of being anti-Semitic because process might not have been followed properly in a few cases? This sort of story is a joke in my mind.

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