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Boris Johnson to be our next Prime Minister?

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xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@boltonbonce wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:
Will Buckley will have a sensational season, and be linked with Arsenal by Christmas.
Optimism.

But only if you truly believe it. If it doesn't happen it will then clearly be your fault for not being optimistic enough.
Looks like I'll have to get a Buckley shirt.  Shocked

That's the spirit. Smile

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
There will pobably be a General Election in mid-October so we'll all have a chance to express our feelings at the ballot box.

It's sure going to be a very interesting autumn.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Labour are going to be battered by the lib Dems in the south, the SNP in Scotland and the brexit party in the north and Wales.

If Boris make it clear he's serious about brexit he could put paid to the brexit party.

It looks like wipeout for labour as we stand.

Guest


Guest
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Canada has a point based immigration system 

Celebrated as one of the most progressive liberal nations in the world.

UK has one.

Bigotted scum little England xenophobic far right racists love trumps hate...

It’s the xenophobic; right wing prime minister and cabinet people are pissed off about.

Points based system seems a sensible approach to me should we leave the single market.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Pure hysteria.

Guest


Guest
Not a right wing cabinet then?

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Let me explain something that you are probably unaware of, which may help some to understand why I think as I do. I am Welsh, my wife is Scottish, I live in England, (as do my daughters), and my siblings live in Australia, South Africa, Germany, and Norfolk. (I even support BWFC !), I've probably read as much as the rest of you, and possibly lived through a lot more than some of you. I've had many conversations with so many relatives, friends, and colleagues over Brexit, that I feel I'm pretty au fait with Brexit and its main players, and I've heard all sorts of comments and views. 
I am amazed, although experience says I shouldn't be, that within 3 days, you have all become political experts on the Prime Minister, know all his personal life history, and are convinced of his crooked and devious ways of working, and are happily passing comments as though you are all qualified to do so. I often find the talk on here depressing, with so many people  seemingly working to personal vendettas rather than a balanced reaction to the days topics. 
I don't believe I'm naive, nor being overly optimistic, nor do I give too much credence to unfounded speculation. Taking all into consideration, I make no apologies for my optimism.

Guest


Guest
The question is what in Boris’s political record gives you cause for optimism? It’s not unfounded to speculation to look at his record as mayor and foreign secretary and see it for what it is - useless. Please don’t give me this nonsense that I’m blindly criticising, when you refuse to acknowledge the articles posted to support.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@gloswhite wrote:Let me explain something that you are probably unaware of, which may help some to understand why I think as I do. I am Welsh, my wife is Scottish, I live in England, (as do my daughters), and my siblings live in Australia, South Africa, Germany, and Norfolk. (I even support BWFC !), I've probably read as much as the rest of you, and possibly lived through a lot more than some of you. I've had many conversations with so many relatives, friends, and colleagues over Brexit, that I feel I'm pretty au fait with Brexit and its main players, and I've heard all sorts of comments and views. 
I am amazed, although experience says I shouldn't be, that within 3 days, you have all become political experts on the Prime Minister, know all his personal life history, and are convinced of his crooked and devious ways of working, and are happily passing comments as though you are all qualified to do so. I often find the talk on here depressing, with so many people  seemingly working to personal vendettas rather than a balanced reaction to the days topics. 
I don't believe I'm naive, nor being overly optimistic, nor do I give too much credence to unfounded speculation. Taking all into consideration, I make no apologies for my optimism.

There is plenty of well documented evidence of Boris's dishonesty. He lies all the time. Many examples have been quoted on this forum, for example his recent lies about kippers. Do you not believe the evidence?


okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
This is not something that has been dreamed up in the few days following his appointment as PM.

Common  knowledge of what Boris is like as a human being goes back to some time before May 2013 when he was interviewed on The Andrew Marr Show. It is still available to view if you have not already done so. Just Google Eddie Mair/Boris Johnson. 
If you remain convinced, after watching it,  that Boris merits his new role,  then clearly blind faith and intransigence dominate.

It was appalling enough then, but now, given that he is the Prime Minister with the huge responsibility that role carries, it is truly frightening.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:Let me explain something that you are probably unaware of, which may help some to understand why I think as I do. I am Welsh, my wife is Scottish, I live in England, (as do my daughters), and my siblings live in Australia, South Africa, Germany, and Norfolk. (I even support BWFC !), I've probably read as much as the rest of you, and possibly lived through a lot more than some of you. I've had many conversations with so many relatives, friends, and colleagues over Brexit, that I feel I'm pretty au fait with Brexit and its main players, and I've heard all sorts of comments and views. 
I am amazed, although experience says I shouldn't be, that within 3 days, you have all become political experts on the Prime Minister, know all his personal life history, and are convinced of his crooked and devious ways of working, and are happily passing comments as though you are all qualified to do so. I often find the talk on here depressing, with so many people  seemingly working to personal vendettas rather than a balanced reaction to the days topics. 
I don't believe I'm naive, nor being overly optimistic, nor do I give too much credence to unfounded speculation. Taking all into consideration, I make no apologies for my optimism.

There is plenty of well documented evidence of Boris's dishonesty. He lies all the time. Many examples have been quoted on this forum, for example his recent lies about kippers. Do you not believe the evidence?



Course he bloody lies all the time he's a politician. It's basically the job description.

Guest


Guest
Even by your standards that’s a crap argument.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
T.R.O.Y wrote:Even by your standards that’s a crap argument.

Laughing

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Guys, you're all right, to some degree. The point I'm having a hard job getting over is that even with his flaws, which are not unique to him, he is attempting to get us out of this rut we are in.
I believe your skepticism is often well founded, however, his new role requires certain standards which even a PM cannot ignore, (mind you, I said the same thing about Trump). I'm sure, like many of us, he learns from his mistakes, so expecting him to repeat his earlier errors, and judging him and the outcome to be the same, isn't necessarily right. At this moment, he's the only option we have for getting us out of the mess parliament have put us in, for whatever reason. 
It shows what he is up against, when he says he will return 20,000 officers to the Police, something that has been asked for for some time. The first reaction I saw was a Police spokesman complaining because the infrastructure wasn't in place to get them in ! I think we should be prepared to at least give him a chance without condemning him out of hand.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I think I understand what you are saying glos but the difficulty I have with your position on Boris is that there is absolutely no evidence that he does learn from his mistakes. For example he continues to tell bare faced lies even when he has no need to do so. This is not the behaviour of a man who learns from his mistakes.

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
No, the only way to ensure our safe future is to remain. Some political parties that get far less publicity are advocating this and urging action on the most important issue of all....the environment and climate change. Seems as if those with the loudest mouths and controversial policies get all the headlines and media coverage.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@xmiles wrote:I think I understand what you are saying glos but the difficulty I have with your position on Boris is that there is absolutely no evidence that he does learn from his mistakes. For example he continues to tell bare faced lies even when he has no need to do so. This is not the behaviour of a man who learns from his mistakes.
He doesn't appear to have learned some of them, but there again, he's never had the responsibility he has now, nor the scrutiny of his every move, although he did complete two terms as Mayor of London, which must have been a good preparation for him. He can still say or take the wrong action or option, but tell me a politician who  hasn't.
I know what you're saying, and I agree with some of it, but, ever the optimist, I'm hoping that he will put us in a better position to tackle the future, and like yourself, I'll be watching very carefully. The way he's set off, his fall, if/when it happens will be pretty spectacular, and nothing to revel in. I don't see him as the next Messiah, or anything like it, nor do I see him as a bumbling buffoon. The best I'm hoping for is something partway between both.
I believe the polls have now put the Tories 2 points in the lead, when they were actually 5 points behind, so maybe he's saying and doing what so many people have been waiting for. Only time will tell, and we don't have a lot of that.  Smile

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@okocha wrote:No, the only way to ensure our safe future is to remain. Some political parties that get far less publicity are advocating this and urging action on the most important issue of all....the environment and climate change. Seems as if those with the loudest mouths and controversial policies get all the headlines and media coverage.
The EU are renowned for taking too long to make a decision, and if rushed into it, tend to settle for a poor indecisive action. An example being the preference to pay Turkey to manage the illegal immigrant problem. It was expensive, and far from successful, but it gave them time to brush it under the carpet.
I agree that the environment and climate change should be at the top of the list, but its people and politicians that have to work together. The current state of politics all over the world doesn't bode well, but we've got to keep at it. If we don't get it right, we'll have a very different world to pass on. I often think to myself that in the future, this time in our history will be referred to the 'Age of Waste'.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:Even by your standards that’s a crap argument.

It's not an argument it's a fact.

Please name me a politician who isn't a liar.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Even by your standards that’s a crap argument.

Laughing

More sneering. They go low we go even lower.

Guest


Guest
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Even by your standards that’s a crap argument.

It's not an argument it's a fact.

Please name me a politician who isn't a liar.

I’m sure they all have, but how many have been sacked from roles for doing so?

Look you are right that campaign lies/mistruths are part of the game nobody’s naive enough to think otherwise.

What’s worrying is that much like trump, when Boris is caught out telling mistruths it makes no difference to his supporters, they simply do not care because it doesn’t matter what he says or promises, it’s what he represents that matters.

He’ll get all the worst types supporting and voting for him, and he’ll happily lap that up - the only thing that matters to him is staying in power now.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Even by your standards that’s a crap argument.

It's not an argument it's a fact.

Please name me a politician who isn't a liar.

I’m sure they all have, but how many have been sacked from roles for doing so?

Look you are right that campaign lies/mistruths are part of the game nobody’s naive enough to think otherwise.

What’s worrying is that much like trump, when Boris is caught out telling mistruths it makes no difference to his supporters, they simply do not care because it doesn’t matter what he says or promises, it’s what he represents that matters.

He’ll get all the worst types supporting and voting for him, and he’ll happily lap that up - the only thing that matters to him is staying in power now.

McDonnell the man you support to be our next chancellor.

Everything you've said there is the same for Corbyn the man you support to be the next pm.

So even by "my standards" whatever they are, I'm talking crap but in the very next post you said I'm right that all politicians lie.

Guest


Guest
It’s crap to dismiss Boris mistruths with ‘everyone does it’. Oh right let them all get away with it then.

Going to have to enlighten me on these lies spread by Corbyn. As I’ve always said, he seems a man of integrity to me which is why I’ve supported him - that’s exactly what I want from a poltician.

Boris was pro-EU as mayor of London, then he saw this opportunity and suddenly switched. He’s only arsed himself, and in my experience you can’t trust a man like that.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s crap to dismiss Boris mistruths with ‘everyone does it’. Oh right let them all get away with it then.

Going to have to enlighten me on these lies spread by Corbyn. As I’ve always said, he seems a man of integrity to me which is why I’ve supported him - that’s exactly what I want from a poltician.

Boris was pro-EU as mayor of London, then he saw this opportunity and suddenly switched. He’s only arsed himself, and in my experience you can’t trust a man like that.

No point even carrying on the conversation if you truly believe Corbyn hasn't lied.

He lied about the timing of his involvement with disgusting press TV. That's one that springs to mind immediately.

Follow the twitter account Corbyn in the times for a quite comprehensive dismantling of his false persona of an anti racist and as you put it "man of integrity"

Guest


Guest
You’ll have to show me some articles or something which show he’s a racist/not a man of integrity. From what I’ve seen from him he’s been consistent in his views for 30 years - Europe aside.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You've just proven your original point. I do agree.

When Corbyn is caught out. His cultists. Sorry followers just ignore it.

I told you a very specific place to look for some very informative reading already.

Guest


Guest
Corbyn in the times? I’ll take a look, sorry for not dropping what I’m doing and getting on that straight away but will come back to you over next couple of days.

Guest


Guest
First post I come across ‘Labour hates Jews’, oh god.. what was that hysteria you were kicking off about earlier Hipster? This is going to be tiresome if that’s the sort of output you’re putting forward here.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:Corbyn in the times? I’ll take a look, sorry for not dropping what I’m doing and getting on that straight away but will come back to you over next couple of days.

I didnt sat you had to do it immediately so I'm not sure why you're suggesting that.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:First post I come across ‘Labour hates Jews’, oh god.. what was that hysteria you were kicking off about earlier Hipster? This is going to be tiresome if that’s the sort of output you’re putting forward here.

All of his posts are well referenced with evidence. Most of it written by Corbyn himself.

Obviously he gives his own opinions as well

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