Boris Johnson to be our next Prime Minister?

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:The mail is edited by a remainer.

...but the people who pay him aren´t. They dictate the agenda.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s not biased to point out the tariffs are up to 46% - its a statement of fact Glos.

Agreed TROY, but there's more to it than just to say tariffs are up, down, or whatever. There is usually a reason for raising tariffs, and this is because our product is usually competing with the home product. If that is the case, why not look for new markets, especially when you know your product is successful?  Nothing stands still, especially in business, and we need to be able to adapt to the changes, and until we do, things will get a lot tougher, with the benefits materializing 3,4, or more years down the line.
We survived the financial crisis and came out stronger, why can we not survive the Brexit changes ?

The problem is that the benefits you talk about glos are imaginary as opposed to the real benefits we get from being in the EU. Trump and his ambassador have already told us what kind of trade deal we will get from them: we will have to accept their shockingly low food standards (chlorinated chicken, hormone stuffed beef, etc) and open up the NHS to them.

The benefits we get from the EU are good, but its a two way street, and one in which they benefit far more than we do. When we add to that the lock-in we have to suffer for these presumed benefits, who knows whether the EU is the best long-term option for us? I personally would like to see the UK face its future on its own merits, not those handed down from a trading partner that believes itself to be a government.
As for the food trade, and NHS, at this stage you are doing nothing more than listening, and repeating, unfounded allegations.

Sadly these are not "unfounded allegations". The US ambassador Woody Johnson, who is a close friend of the US president, recently said the NHS "would be on the table" and “there will have to be some deal where you give the British people a choice ...to buy it [chlorinated chicken]”. Nothing imaginary about that.

XM, I don't know about you, but I see such comments as the opening gambit of what will be hard negotiations. 
As I've said previously, the UK already has very high standards for its food and animal care, and it is on that basis that we manage to export to countries that can easily produce its own meat products, but prefers ours. Were not going to throw it all away, it would be foolish, and costly.
With regards the NHS, as much as we love it, it falls down on many fronts. An injection of cash and improved services wouldn't be a bad thing. Again, we won't be handing it over to the Americans, so lets wait and see what is on offer. You seem to think they will make us do as they bid. I don't know why.

Angry Dad wrote:Love the fat carts in Wallmart.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s not biased to point out the tariffs are up to 46% - its a statement of fact Glos.

Agreed TROY, but there's more to it than just to say tariffs are up, down, or whatever. There is usually a reason for raising tariffs, and this is because our product is usually competing with the home product. If that is the case, why not look for new markets, especially when you know your product is successful?  Nothing stands still, especially in business, and we need to be able to adapt to the changes, and until we do, things will get a lot tougher, with the benefits materializing 3,4, or more years down the line.
We survived the financial crisis and came out stronger, why can we not survive the Brexit changes ?

The problem is that the benefits you talk about glos are imaginary as opposed to the real benefits we get from being in the EU. Trump and his ambassador have already told us what kind of trade deal we will get from them: we will have to accept their shockingly low food standards (chlorinated chicken, hormone stuffed beef, etc) and open up the NHS to them.

The benefits we get from the EU are good, but its a two way street, and one in which they benefit far more than we do. When we add to that the lock-in we have to suffer for these presumed benefits, who knows whether the EU is the best long-term option for us? I personally would like to see the UK face its future on its own merits, not those handed down from a trading partner that believes itself to be a government.
As for the food trade, and NHS, at this stage you are doing nothing more than listening, and repeating, unfounded allegations.

Sadly these are not "unfounded allegations". The US ambassador Woody Johnson, who is a close friend of the US president, recently said the NHS "would be on the table" and “there will have to be some deal where you give the British people a choice ...to buy it [chlorinated chicken]”. Nothing imaginary about that.

XM, I don't know about you, but I see such comments as the opening gambit of what will be hard negotiations. 
As I've said previously, the UK already has very high standards for its food and animal care, and it is on that basis that we manage to export to countries that can easily produce its own meat products, but prefers ours. Were not going to throw it all away, it would be foolish, and costly.
With regards the NHS, as much as we love it, it falls down on many fronts. An injection of cash and improved services wouldn't be a bad thing. Again, we won't be handing it over to the Americans, so lets wait and see what is on offer. You seem to think they will make us do as they bid. I don't know why.

The major flaw in what you say is that you completely ignore the relative weakness of our negotiating position with the USA once we leave the EU. We will be desperate for a trade deal and even if we were not the USA is much stronger and powerful economically than we are. There is no way that they are not going to insist on us accepting their lower food standards if we want a trade deal.

As for your idea that further privatisation of the NHS is going to improve matters, that is so far from reality that you must be ignoring all the evidence of how inefficient the American health system is. It is the most expensive in the world and yet life expectancy in the USA is significantly lower than any EU country.

okocha wrote:This is an interesting development, rather deflating the Government's idea of banking on a deal with the erratic USA:-

"A US-UK trade deal will not get through Congress if Brexit undermines the Good Friday Agreement, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives has said.
Democrat Nancy Pelosi, whose party controls the House, said the UK's exit from the EU could not be allowed to endanger the Irish peace deal."

xmiles wrote:So much for the fantasy deal with the US.

Boris is already blaming remainers for "collaborating" with the EU.

boltonbonce wrote:The Yanks are saying that to get a trade deal we'll have to accept US food standards. Lovely.