REVEALED: Bolton Wanderers' £25m of company creditors

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:Basically BWFC (Burnden Leisure or whatever trading name it operates under) and Ken Anderson are two completely different entities as far as the law is concerned. While Ken may own the majority of shares in BWFC it does not mean he IS BWFC.

The debts that have been accrued by Bolton Wanderers are NOT legally his PERSONAL responsibility, they are the company's and the company's alone. To keep banging on about moral responsibility when it's been made clear to everyone any number of times that they are in this case irrelevant is facile at best and mostly petulant. Ken has done nothing wrong in law, a huge group of highly qualified accountants and a well respected administrator have already shown that.

And if you wish to talk about moral responsibility then how about Dean Holdsworth? Surely he must be morally responsible for the BluMarble/Sportshield fiasco that helped to generate this mess to begin with? Or Eddie Davies who chose to pull out of the club the moment Premier League money stopped coming in? What about the massive debts incurred under Phil Gartside's chairmanship when Eddie was taking multi million pound "success" fees from the club whenever it sold a player for profit such as Anelka?

It seems to me this "moral outrage" about Ken is more than a little one sided and blinkered beyond belief. While I accept Ken has made many mistakes this constant banging on about his "corruption" and his alleged plans to make some huge profit by bankrupting the club has all been proven to be hogwash to this point. At worst he's proven to be a bad businessman and has certainly made a personal loss to date so why do people seem to feel he's somehow obliged to lose yet more especially when the customers of the organisation keep pillorying the man?

Perhaps certain people have their own agenda that benefits from making unfounded unproven allegations and continuing to make them even when documentary proof of the opposite has been provided by qualified and unbiased professionals.

You forgot to sign back into the "sluffy" username.

Ten Bobsworth wrote:Similar topics provides an interesting backdrop. Whatever happened to luckyPeterpiper? What a split personality he seemed to be, half Rachmaninov, half Les Dawson.

Sluffy wrote:

In real life he had a nervous breakdown.

Love to him, Wendy and the kids if he happens to see this.

Ten Bobsworth wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

In real life he had a nervous breakdown.

Love to him, Wendy and the kids if he happens to see this.

Sorry to hear that, Sluffy.

Sluffy wrote:

He was quite open about it.

Seemed for a while he was getting a lot better in himself and then he just disappeared off here.

I've not heard from him since.

And if you are persisting in digging around in the accountancy achieves on here and stumble across the person 'rammy', then before you choose to ridicule him as well, then for your information he has since died.

Ten Bobsworth wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

He was quite open about it.

Seemed for a while he was getting a lot better in himself and then he just disappeared off here.

I've not heard from him since.

And if you are persisting in digging around in the accountancy achieves on here and stumble across the person 'rammy', then before you choose to ridicule him as well, then for your information he has since died.

I did know Rammy had died, thank you. He seemed like a thoroughly decent guy and one of the saner voices on Nuts.

Rammy was a qualified accountant who had spent most of his working life in academia. I understood his strengths but I also understood his relative inexperience 'on the shop floor', if I may put it that way.

Sluffy wrote:

I knew about his academia also but he asked me to keep it quiet, which I of course respected.

Although he was professional enough not to state his views on here, it was quite clear to all that he wasn't a supporter of my interpretation of what was going on and favoured the overwhelming popularist view of Anderson at the time - hence my comment to you above.

And fwiw (and I'm sure you know already) one of those you quoted from ww, using the c word to describe Anderson is an accountant also (who IS on the 'shop floor').

And also for completeness, Wanderlust, who you also flagged up as one of those from your ww list, has never been banned for expressing his opinion on here but has been banned numerous times for abuse, deliberate trolling and on two occasions for racism!

Ten Bobsworth wrote:That wouldn't be Biggish Dave you are referring to, by any chance? Of course I know it is and I have to say that I have never seen anything from him that would suggest any measure of professional insight or professionalism and would have to wonder what 'shop floor' he works on.

There are 'shop floors' and 'shop floors' and, in case you hadn't figured it out, they ain't all the same.

boltonbonce wrote:Much like the Arsehole gene you appear to have inherited...

Natasha Whittam wrote:

You forgot to sign back into the "sluffy" username.

Sluffy wrote:

Yes, thank you Bob, it was Biggish Dave and I am perfectly aware there are 'shop floors' and 'shop floors'.

Why do you feel the need to constantly belittle everyone all the time?

I simply used the term in response to how you used it to differentiate between 'teaching' (academia) and 'practice' (shop floor).

Ten Bobsworth wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

Yes, thank you Bob, it was Biggish Dave and I am perfectly aware there are 'shop floors' and 'shop floors'.

Why do you feel the need to constantly belittle everyone all the time?

I simply used the term in response to how you used it to differentiate between 'teaching' (academia) and 'practice' (shop floor).

Did you really? Well you know what, I don't believe you.

I seriously think that you are suffering from self-delusion and that the condition is getting more advanced with each week that passes.

In recent times, you have become increasingly hostile to any considered examination of the facts about BWFC's financial history, I suspect because you don't want yourself, or anyone else, to be reminded of how you jumped to foolish conclusions based on your own ignorance and your own lack of thought.

If that's the way you like it, so be it, but don't expect me to like it.

boltonbonce wrote:Much like the Arsehole gene you appear to have inherited...

Ten Bobsworth wrote:Deary me, Sluffy, if you are incapable of figuring out the Administrators game plan you are just plain dumb. And if you can't figure out why it wouldn't be a smart idea to spell it out you are even dumber.

Boncey lives in his self-created lefty bubble that he enjoys and celebrates whilst freely admitting his ignorance and disinterest in the financial realities of BWFC.

Ignorance of financial reality is fairly common amongst the lefty community as is the ability to get hold of the wrong end of any stick and posturing about kindness and consideration when they are anything but. Boncey just wants to play court jester and can't be doing with anything that might impinge on his bubble.

And I don't really care what you think since you seem to have lost the ability to think with any degree of coherence  or intelligence.

We can return to the plot in due course and you can look forward to enriching our lives with yet more harebrained Sluffyisms.

Ten Bobsworth wrote:Deary me, Sluffy, if you are incapable of figuring out the Administrators game plan you are just plain dumb. And if you can't figure out why it wouldn't be a smart idea to spell it out you are even dumber.

Boncey lives in his self-created lefty bubble that he enjoys and celebrates whilst freely admitting his ignorance and disinterest in the financial realities of BWFC.

Ignorance of financial reality is fairly common amongst the lefty community as is the ability to get hold of the wrong end of any stick and posturing about kindness and consideration when they are anything but. Boncey just wants to play court jester and can't be doing with anything that might impinge on his bubble.

And I don't really care what you think since you seem to have lost the ability to think with any degree of coherence  or intelligence.

We can return to the plot in due course and you can look forward to enriching our lives with yet more harebrained Sluffyisms.

Sluffy wrote:

Yawn...

...and fwiw Bonce and Norpig aren't stupid people like you believe them to be simply because they might not know specialised stuff like accountancy like you do - and neither of then are bitter, twisted and crazily obsessed over things that happened FOUR YEARS ago, that no one but you still care about, like you clearly are.

boltonbonce wrote:Bob, as Sluffy has said, this is the internet. You're taking it too seriously.
According to my history on here:
I believe Bruce Forsyth to be the greatest entertainer to ever walk planet earth.
I'm frequently part of police line ups.
I have Native American heritage.
I attend a weekly penile dysfunction clinic.
I'm obsessed with slippers.
I spend 20 hours a day on youtube.
I'm on FBI and Interpol 'lists'.
Am I a lefty? Do I even support Bolton Wanderers? Am I a woman posing as a man?
It's the wonderful world of the internet, and Sluffy is right to take it with a pinch of salt. I may be all, or none of the things listed, but who cares?
My main objection on Nuts is to have fun, and, if others choose to join in, all the better. The financial woes of BWFC are outside my comfort zone, so any input I might provide is on a purely visceral or emotional level. 
Patronise me, or anyone else on here if you choose, but it's water off a ducks back.
I'm sure Sluffy can handle it too. 
Welcome to Nuts, Bob, where, like Lake Wobegone 'All the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average'.