So much for parliamentary democracy

Sluffy wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:Taking candy from a baby, these labour lot are pretty much Stupid, can they not see it coming.

Yes they can and that's why they are so desperate to have a second referendum before having the GE.

A normal Labour Party would have been pro EU/Remain all along.

The loonies in control with Corbyn as the leader have mismanaged Brexit all along, hoping to see the Tories destruct following on from Brexit and them staying in power because of it for the next three GE's at least.

Bad, bad, bad miscalculation as well as putting achieving of being in power themselves before the good of the country.

So you don't think the Tories are in crisis !!! they arn't hoping , they are imploding, when a government with a slender majority sack 21 reasonable experienced members, when his own brother ditches him, when a Tory MP walks across the house at his maiden PM questions, i say job done. 

IF the opposition parties sit tight until the Boris deadline then he will break his promise IF that happens then the Brexit mob (can't take them as a party) Will turn on Boris because now he is no better than May in their eyes.

In terms " the good of the country" give me a break, This was a Tory problem Cameron put party before country.Teresa May by stalling all the votes put party before country to keep the right wing nutters on board.

Boris trying to threaten and prorouge  parliament is all aimed at keeping this shameful government in power. Once again putting party before country. 

Taking us out without a deal, again putting the will of the extreme right over whats best for the country.

I voted remain (shock) BUT i am a democrat i would have taken the hit because of the referendum vote. However any one who says they voted for this version is frankly insane.

wessy wrote:So you don't think the Tories are in crisis !!!

Not at all, I'm actually impressed that Boris went through with his threat to expel MPs that voted against the government. It shows strong leadership. Are you suggesting people should be kept on for disobeying their boss?

Boris will get his election one way or another, and he will beat Corbyn at the polls.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wessy wrote:So you don't think the Tories are in crisis !!!

Not at all, I'm actually impressed that Boris went through with his threat to expel MPs that voted against the government. It shows strong leadership. Are you suggesting people should be kept on for disobeying their boss?

Boris will get his election one way or another, and he will beat Corbyn at the polls.

Your easily impressed, i just see the prat hanging from a zip wire, This is not leadership it's bullying without taking into account consequences. 

I never said Corbyn would win an election, i truly think now normal party politics is fooked. we are looking at hung parliaments from now on in.

Oh and his antics with the police yesterday PM what a joke.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Better than a Corbyn government. Without question.

Anything positive to say about Boris so far though?

Weirdly quiet on here, can only assume the Brexiteers are too busy raging that an unelected bureaucrat has taken control of our government.

Brexit is all about sovereignty of course.

Vaudeville Johnson, the Clown, just needs a backfiring small car and a red fluffy wig. He can get out of the car, in which the door he opens falls off and then he can start making shapes out of balloons for the television cameras. And that is all he does, he has no plans, nothing. He has a long history of making a very very expensive mess out of everything he is in charge of.

A winning team???

Anything but the Tories.

sunlight wrote:Anything but the Tories.

sunlight wrote:Vaudeville Johnson, the Clown, just needs a backfiring small car and a red fluffy wig. He can get out of the car, in which the door he opens falls off and then he can start making shapes out of balloons for the television cameras. And that is all he does, he has no plans, nothing. He has a long history of making a very very expensive mess out of everything he is in charge of.

Its nice to see you all making sensible, unbiased comments. 
Unlike the last Labour government, The PM hasn't left the country with a mountain of debt, and nothing in the coffers.  
Some people have a very short memory. Why do you think so many people don't want a Corbyn government?

gloswhite wrote:

sunlight wrote:Vaudeville Johnson, the Clown, just needs a backfiring small car and a red fluffy wig. He can get out of the car, in which the door he opens falls off and then he can start making shapes out of balloons for the television cameras. And that is all he does, he has no plans, nothing. He has a long history of making a very very expensive mess out of everything he is in charge of.

Its nice to see you all making sensible, unbiased comments. 
Unlike the last Labour government, The PM hasn't left the country with a mountain of debt, and nothing in the coffers.  
Some people have a very short memory. Why do you think so many people don't want a Corbyn government?

The Tory party are falling apart. Two long standing members of the party came to blows in our local pub this week, and had to be calmed down by their wives.
It was hilarious, if you enjoy old men fighting. 
Meanwhile, JC waits, ready to deploy the Corbynite manoeuvre.

Gove has made it clear that they will simply ignore the Irish border and also Cocaine use. What could possibly go wrong?

sunlight wrote:Gove has made it clear that they will simply ignore the Irish border and also Cocaine use. What could possibly go wrong?

I don't think its a case of ignoring the border, although your right in some ways. I think all sides are looking how the current standoff can be tweaked. The Northern Irish won't be abandoned, but they are now in a weaker bargaining position as their direct support in parliament isn't as necessary now. Not always nice, but that's modern politics, and the benefit for the vast majority is now plain to not only see, but also to reach.
Not sure about the cocaine. I get excitable on paracetamol 

gloswhite wrote:
I don't think its a case of ignoring the border, although your right in some ways. I think all sides are looking how the current standoff can be tweaked. The Northern Irish won't be abandoned, but they are now in a weaker bargaining position as their direct support in parliament isn't as necessary now. Not always nice, but that's modern politics, and the benefit for the vast majority is now plain to not only see, but also to reach.
Not sure about the cocaine. I get excitable on paracetamol 

Rees Mogg has said that there is nothing to fear about losing our supplies of medicine after a Tory no-deal Brexit as there are lots of DIY medicine manufacture sites online where the Proles can make their own medicine if they can be bothered.

I hardly think that the Irish being in a `weaker` bargaining position is going to stop the troubles.
I am a peaceful person and love the Status Quo.

gloswhite wrote:

sunlight wrote:Vaudeville Johnson, the Clown, just needs a backfiring small car and a red fluffy wig. He can get out of the car, in which the door he opens falls off and then he can start making shapes out of balloons for the television cameras. And that is all he does, he has no plans, nothing. He has a long history of making a very very expensive mess out of everything he is in charge of.

Its nice to see you all making sensible, unbiased comments. 
Unlike the last Labour government, The PM hasn't left the country with a mountain of debt, and nothing in the coffers.  
Some people have a very short memory. Why do you think so many people don't want a Corbyn government?

Boris wasted millions when he was mayor of London. Now he is promising billions of extra spending money and tax cuts for the rich even though there is no explanation as to where this money is coming from. Even his own brother and sister realise that he is a lying egomaniac with no interest in anybody or anything but himself.

Johnson's vacillating voting record shows that his rash disregard for the effects of Brexit on ordinary folk is because he has no personal concern as to whether we remain or leave, as long as his own political career goals are realised. He doesn't even care about risking the hard-fought-for peace in NI.

 He doesn't care about anyone other than himself, as emphasised by his fractured personal relationships. He is self-centred scum, as Cameron now makes clear. 
The dwindling number who still support him and what he is prepared to put at risk will evidently change their tune only when they personally suffer the consequences and brutal reality hits them.

Boris will resort more and more to representing the Labour leadership as a scary proposition and pledging billions to undo years of Tory austerity....all in order to keep himself in power....when the biggest prority right now is to safeguard all the country's interests by remaining close to our  allies....which does not include the totally unreliable lunatic in The White House.

The dwindling number who support him.

Tories leading in all major polls.

In one by 12 points.

Dwindling support in the HOC.... MPs kicked out or following their own values by joining other parties, especially those which advocate Remain. Further setbacks for Boris are imminent as Cameron's views take effect. DUP's position? Growing support for Lib Dems' principles and Greens' massively important concern for climate change?

Worry about Labour's credentials and many people's unwillingness to swallow pride and admit getting it wrong are the biggest stops to landslide defection from the Tories.......but this is more about country than party. Those looking at us from the outside are incredulous,  thinking the UK has gone mad. The world's regard for us is dwindling as is our relative influence.  .

okocha wrote: MPs kicked out or following their own values by joining other parties, especially those which advocate Remain. Further setbacks for Boris are imminent as Cameron's views take effect. DUP's position? Growing support for Lib Dems' principles and Greens' massively important concern for climate change?

Worry about Labour's credentials and many people's unwillingness to swallow pride and admit getting it wrong are the biggest stops to landslide defection from the Tories.......but this is more about country than party. Those looking at us from the outside are incredulous,  thinking the UK has gone mad. The world's regard for us is dwindling as is our relative influence.  .

What a load of nonsense.

If your boss told you to do something and you didn't do it, would you expect to keep your job?

Or if you played for Bolton but decided to score own goals because you didn't like the manager do you think you would get picked the following week?

And I'm not even sure what "many people's unwillingness to swallow pride and admit getting it wrong" means. Wrong in YOUR eyes you perhaps should have said.

okocha wrote:
Worry about Labour's credentials and many people's unwillingness to swallow pride and admit getting it wrong.

Jesus Christ!

Getting what wrong? Do you mean due to all the fear campaigns that have been spouted out by remainers?

Those looking at us from the outside are incredulous,  thinking the UK has gone mad. The world's regard for us is dwindling as is our relative influence.  .

Yes I completely agree and this has been caused by the self serving remain MP's in parliament ignoring the 17.4 million people who voted out!