Press vs Royals

T.R.O.Y wrote:I’m with you Bonce, outdated dribble. Normally I‘m happy to not care a jot about the Royals, but the tabloid attack on Megan Markle stinks of a vendetta.

I've seen some right tosh on social media, including calls for Harry to be shot as a traitor for bringing black blood into the monarchy.
Brexit and MM have certainly allowed a few rocks to be upturned, allowing their slimy inhabitants to crawl forth.

At the end of the day we have a 'constitutional monarchy' which basically means the Queen and her family are nothing more than figureheads, they have no real power at all.

Whilst all they are doing is playing a role, then there really isn't a problem, it's when they 'collide' with the real world when things go wrong for them - such as Princess Di not being in that bubble and popping it to escape (James Hewitt, Dodi Fayed and that married doctor for instance) and more recently Prince Andrew and his mate the sex fiend (and that car crash TV interview).

Nobody begrudges Harry and Megan wanting to do the best for themselves and their family but it is how they've attempted to do it that stinks (because they live in that bubble and can't relate to the real world). They don't want to do the 'work' of a royal but won't give up the title - or the money, homes, privileges, lifelong police protection, the private jets, sports cars, exotic months long holidays, etc - indeed they've even tried to 'trade mark' their title, to obviously make a killing of having it linked and logoed to everything - for a hefty price of course!

Apparently Harry feels side-lined from the family but obviously he was always going to be - he is after all the 'spare' and not the 'heir'.

Charles is the next inline and it wouldn't surprise me that he defers it to Willian, whose children are inline after him.

Seems to me the Harry and Megs intend to set up a 'rival court' to make a fortune from the American and foreign markets for themselves - and all sorts of political nightmares that may well set up for us - just imagine if they turned up as the (heavily paid) guests of Iran denouncing America for that recent assassination for instance?

If they want to go and no longer be a royal, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with that (he's inherited millions from his mother and great grandmothers wills) but to seemingly exploit his position for personal gain - whilst being paid from the Civil List and Duchy of Cornwall to the tunes of around £25m per year - and become a political maverick on the world stage is simply taking the biscuit.

As for something TROY said above about the press having no inside information - don't be too sure about that -

The Sun 'broke' the story first (7th January) thus forcing the 'Stepping back' announcement, so clearly they did know what was going on behind the Palace gates!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10693487/prince-harry-meghan-move-to-canada/

PS, as for whose idea all this is, do people really think that Harry was the brains behind it all?

I don't.

After the acrimony and nasty personal hostility created by Brexit, by the press and via social media, somehow the country needs to return to a more compassionate, tolerant outlook in which others' feelings and welfare are given precedence. 

You'd think that the threat of annihilation courtesy of the world's warring super-powers or by the prospect of climatic extinction would shock us into re-assessing what makes life worth living......and, as Richard Curtis simplistically wrote, it's love actually. Governments have to lead us. The signs are not good.

okocha wrote:After the acrimony and nasty personal hostility created by Brexit, by the press and via social media, somehow the country needs to return to a more compassionate, tolerant outlook in which others' feelings and welfare are given precedence. 

You'd think that the threat of annihilation courtesy of the world's warring super-powers or by the prospect of climatic extinction would shock us into re-assessing what makes life worth living......and, as Richard Curtis simplistically wrote, it's love actually. Governments have to lead us. The signs are not good.

I think it's a bit naive to assume that those in power and those who influence governments will do anything other than seek personal advantage right down to the wire and beyond, even when the world is falling down around their ears and there's no turning back. Do you think the billionaires give a monkey's about ordinary people? Not if their track record is anything to go by.

The elephant in the room is overpopulation. If humanity is to survive into the next century the only solution is to curtail breeding which means 1 child per woman- regardless of the number of partners she may have - for at least for one generation. Massive financial and social impact that nobody is preparing for, but at least it has a chance of reversing climate change and resource depletion.

I think your solution for over-population is both dangerous and totally impractical WL.

In many western countries births are below replacement levels already. The areas where populations are still booming are mainly in Africa (19 of the top 20 countries with the highest growth rates) and I have no idea how you would enforce your draconian proposal. Even if you could you would end up with two further problems: gender imbalance as there would be far more live male births due to selective abortion; and too few young people supporting too many elderly people.

xmiles wrote:I think your solution for over-population is both dangerous and totally impractical WL.

In many western countries births are below replacement levels already. The areas where populations are still booming are mainly in Africa (19 of the top 20 countries with the highest growth rates) and I have no idea how you would enforce your draconian proposal. Even if you could you would end up with two further problems: gender imbalance as there would be far more live male births due to selective abortion; and too few young people supporting too many elderly people.

I'm not saying it's possible, but it is necessary as there are simply too many people for this planet to sustain if the current growth rate continues.
The Chinese experiment showed many of the flaws in their proposal - but it did succeed inasmuch that without it there would already be more than a billion more consumers than there are today.
That was draconian and enforced - and it seems to me that any solution would have to be draconian and enforced. Not good, but better than the inevitable extinction we are lurching towards.

The royal family is finished unless price nob  head (Charles) abdicates and let's a truly inspirational couple like wills and Kate takeover.

No one will put up with queen Camilla. Also Charles is far too wrapped up in politics and will not be able to keep his big gob shut.

As for Harry. Off you pop, give back your titles and the public money you've taken and do not live in houses renovated with the public purse.

Thank you for your service in the military though. And obviously the money your family bring in to this country.

William and Kate inspirational? I like a good laugh.

wanderlust wrote:
I think it's a bit naive to assume that those in power and those who influence governments will do anything other than seek personal advantage right down to the wire 

I said governments should lead but that the signs were not promising,,,,,no assumptions made!

She is a puppeteer he is fucked.

I don't believe Meghan fully understood that in marrying the 6th in line for the throne she was accepting a job.
It can be argued that if she wants to quit the job she needs to hand back the company jewellery, houses, cars etc that have been "loaned" to her and her husband by the country - i.e. the tools of the trade they no longer wishes to pursue.

With Andrew publicly humiliating himself on television, these last few months have not been good for the Windsors and the press have smelled blood.
Add to that the Duke of Windsor being on his way out - personally I reckon he'll die in the near future - and the Queen not having much longer left either - we seem to be reaching a watershed as far as the monarchy goes.

Perhaps the media will one day regret demonising Camilla - who really didn't do much wrong.

T.R.O.Y wrote:Look, this has escalated - but what I’m trying to do is get you to think about the fact you haven’t got a clue what’s going on behind closed doors (and neither do the Tabloids) so claiming she’s pulling the strings is unfair of you, to pull out of royal duties and become self sufficient sounds like a reasonable decision of them to me.

On an aside, watching the Mail and particularly Piers Morgan meltdown over this has been particularly enjoyable.

No disrespect TROY, but once you've been married for a while you become aware of certain unwritten rules in a partnership. These become obvious to others over time, by nuances in behavior, which can result in quite dramatic changes fairly quickly. I agree with KP in that the Sussex's are showing behaviors that would imply that she, if not the direct instigator, is a major reason for his behavior. So, directly, or indirectly, she is pulling the strings. 
Also, take into account his 'angry young man' persona that he now wears. He didn't have that before he got married.
If they want to strike out on their own, I believe they should be allowed to, but as its been stated earlier, don't expect the trappings of royalty to be handed over as though he is entitled. I do believe he should be afforded protection though.

It’s an absolutely valid theory, and totally plausible.

That’s all it is though, and I’m not buying that being married brings mild psychic skills as evidence I’m afraid.

fair enough 

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s an absolutely valid theory, and totally plausible.

That’s all it is though, and I’m not buying that being married brings mild psychic skills as evidence I’m afraid.

Did your girlfriend tell you to say that TROY?

As you'd expect from the Queen, a sound, sober judgement on the situation delivering a reasoned, wise solution......in stark contrast to the hysterical, nasty reactions of Piers Morgan and much of the Press. The dignified joint statement from Harry and William also puts the media to shame.

okocha wrote:As you'd expect from the Queen, a sound, sober judgement on the situation delivering a reasoned, wise solution......in stark contrast to the hysterical, nasty reactions of Piers Morgan and much of the Press. The dignified joint statement from Harry and William also puts the media to shame.

I'm not a Royalist, but they seem a nice, well matched couple. I remember not long ago, Meghan got it in the neck for having the temerity to close her own car door.
She must have wondered what she'd signed up to.

Intellectual property lawyer 'trademarks Sussex Royal brand in US'


https://mol.im/a/7885255

karlypants wrote:Intellectual property lawyer 'trademarks Sussex Royal brand in US'


https://mol.im/a/7885255

This guy needs to get a life.

boltonbonce wrote:

karlypants wrote:Intellectual property lawyer 'trademarks Sussex Royal brand in US'


https://mol.im/a/7885255

This guy needs to get a life.

He's obviously busy making money.