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561Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Mon Nov 30 2020, 21:40

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RangersDave wrote:Anyone remember that mid 80's show called 'soap'?  this has a feeling of that! lol

Yes, I've already referred to what's been going on as 'theatre' and 'panto', I think we can start to call it farce as well particularly if the next tweet is telling the truth!?!



On the face of checking the twitter accounts recent history, it does look like someone who could well be Rowland behind it.

Who knows what the truth is on social media but I must admit to finding it all a bit amusing, the poor 'Tic' fans must be tearing their hair out over all that's gone on with their club - non of which I must point out seems to be illegal in any way and underlines that the world is regulated by a legalistic framework and not a moralistic one.  Most people just can't grasp that point though.

562Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 02 2020, 15:19

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Nixon story just now -

EF-HELL Wigan takeover stalls as EFL ask more questions about Spanish bidder Jose Miguel Garrido Cristo

WIGAN'S future is on the line as the EFL ask more questions about Spanish bidder Jose Miguel Garrido Cristo.

Latics are running out of time to close a deal to come out of administration while Garrido Cristo supplies more information about his business empire to pass the Owners and Directors test.

The former Albacete and Castellon owner is putting up around £1 million from his Eolus Capital group into buying and then running the League One strugglers.

The EFL have demanded bank statements about where Eolus Capital have got their funds from.

Their last accounts showed they have £8.5 million.

Leganes owner Felipe Moreno will be a major shareholder along with Garrido Cristo's brother Papadopaulo as the official partner.

Moreno has been passed by the EFL.

However it is the role of Jose Miguel Garrido Cristo that is being probed.

Meanwhile the Wigan administrators have set a THIRD deadline of Friday or they will end their period of exclusivity and listen to other offers.

Deal broker Ray Ranson has a rival bid, backed by long-term friend and financier Jonathan Rowland.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13361010/wigan-takeover-stalls-efl-cristo/


563Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 02 2020, 15:38

Sluffy

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Now what's interesting (to people like me anyway) is that Eolus Capital of which the said Cristo is a director has just taken out loans secured against three properties it owns namely two flats in a residential development and what I assume is an industrial unit in London

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10278350/charges

All seems very odd in the context of things going on at Wigan to me?

It might just be coincidental and nothing to do with the Wigan takeover but I'm not a great one for believing too much in coincidences myself.

564Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Fri Dec 04 2020, 22:24

Sluffy

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The EFL have FAILED Wigan's proposed takeover!!!







565Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Sun Dec 06 2020, 09:44

Ten Bobsworth


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Sluffy wrote:The EFL have FAILED Wigan's proposed takeover!!!







Blame it on Brexit, Boris  and the Nabob of Bhanipur, Sluffy. The intriguefulness is terrific though.

566Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Sun Dec 06 2020, 12:40

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Ten Bobsworth wrote:Blame it on Brexit, Boris  and the Nabob of Bhanipur, Sluffy. The intriguefulness is terrific though.

Yes, it's entertained me with all the twists and turns so far although I feel sorry for their fans, although like ours and every other club, they some utter detestables amongst them.

The saga has not run its course yet and the EFL has made a pledge that they will lose no club to the effects of Covid so I fully expect the club to be on life support no matter what until this is over.

As it stands now, the Spanish bid has been given one more week of exclusivity to replace this Cristo bloke (and his intended £1m input) with someone the EFL can approve and Nixon is making out that, that is easy enough for them to do - but I'm not so sure, as this man seems to be the one behind the bid and not an 'add on' to it and that the bid IS £1m short and they had initially worked on the assumption/belief that the Wigan Supporters money would be 'loaned' to them for the purchase.

If the bid collapses the Administrators seem to be left with the 'Royle' offer (as in Joe Royle's son who was a Director at Wigan before the Administration), whose financial backer (the friend of Prince Andrew) has stated (albeit on twitter!) that he isn't!, an apparent fantasist ex-pat Wigan born financial 'fixer' type with apparently south east Asian money connections whose own daughter (again on social media) advised that no one should touch him with a barge pole, or the route the local MP, Lisa Nandy (Labour) is clearly championing and that is for the newly formed (or in the process of being formed?) Supporters Trust (which is the existing Supporters Club - and their £1m - formalising themselves into a legal entity to take ownership of the club.

No one other than the Spanish has put money on the table to show the Admin they are serious and not just tyre kickers.

The Admin state they only get paid in the case of a sale - not a liquidation, so they are desperate for a buyer - but clearly the longer this pantomime goes on, the more their costs go up and the bigger exposure they face to taking a loss, so hence why they've stuck with the only bid they've had, through thick and thin, from the 'dodgy' Spanish.

The Spanish put down a non returnable deposit which has funded the club in the recent month or two, which the Admin had to refund them if the Admin pulled out of 'exclusivity' until the EFL had come to a determination of their bid - so I guess if the Spanish don't come back within the week with a new plan, they will have lost - and allow the Admin to move forward a deal with anyone else who shows their money.

The recent 'bailout' money from the Premier League will fund the club until into early next year and it is in the lap of the Gods what might turn up for them until that money runs out.

I expect the EFL to in someway keep them going for the remainder of the season financially and the most likely outcome is for the ST to take on the club, although I've no idea how they could fund it, with the stadium being sold separately to the rugby club.  The money from the property sale, I believe, being the money intended to cover their fees.

I reckon there is still plenty of mileage in this story to go yet but who knows, normal financial rules don't seem to apply in the football world do they!

567Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Mon Dec 07 2020, 16:45

Sluffy

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STATEMENT FROM THE JOINT ADMINISTRATORS (07.12.20)

THE JOINT ADMINISTRATORS PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOLLOWING THE STATEMENT FROM THE EFL ON FRIDAY 4 DECEMBER 2020.

As explained in the Statement, the EFL Board are not in a position to agree to an application to transfer the Club’s membership in the EFL to the proposed purchasers as the League’s requirements have not been satisfied.  We have received a detailed letter from the EFL explaining the reasons why.

We can confirm that one member of the Bidding Team, that has been providing advisory services and was to provide a small proportion of funding, is subject to a Disqualifying Condition (as set out in EFL Regulations).  By mutual consent, this member and all members of the Bidding Team related to this member have been removed from the process and from the Bidding Team.  These changes have been reflected at Companies House over the weekend.

The funds that were to be provided by these members are not to be utilised by the Club going forward.

The remaining member of the Bidding Team, within the EFL submissions made to date, has already provided proof of funding to show sufficient funds for the acquisition and two years trading as required.

We are continuing to work with the EFL and are in the process of providing revised submissions to reflect the revised position of the Bidder with the hope of bringing this matter to a satisfactory conclusion.

https://wiganathletic.com/news/2020/december/Statement-From-The-Joint-Administrators-07-12-20-/

568Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Mon Dec 07 2020, 22:35

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The young lad has pulled off another scoop with the interview from the ex-pat Wigan bloke, Tony Frampton, who seems to be known to the Admin and who claims he is a serious bidder.

He's the one whose daughter wrote on Facebook not to touch him with a bargepole!

I've not viewed the video yet but it's here for anyone who wants to -

569Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Tue Dec 08 2020, 12:25

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570Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Tue Dec 08 2020, 14:47

Ten Bobsworth


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Companies House shows that the shares in AFC Wigan Athletic (£100) were transferred from Antonio Garrido Papadopaulo to a Spanish real  estate company, Hause La Fuente, based in Leganes, on 5 December 2020.

Make of that what you will.

571Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Tue Dec 08 2020, 17:41

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Ten Bobsworth wrote:Companies House shows that the shares in AFC Wigan Athletic (£100) were transferred from Antonio Garrido Papadopaulo to a Spanish real  estate company, Hause La Fuente, based in Leganes, on 5 December 2020.

Make of that what you will.

If I've followed the story correctly (I've not fact checked everything as I would be with Bolton for instance) Papadopaulo is the brother of Cristo, the bloke who failed the EFL's Fit and Proper test.

Although Papadopaulo passed he's seen to be too closely associated with his brother to continue in the process and apparently (according to Nixon) has sold his shares to another Spaniard called Moreno who apparently is very wealthy and the one who wanted the club all along - although it begs the question why as he ever been involved with the Cristo brothers in the first place and why he didn't put this extra £1m in if he could easily afford to do?  

I assume therefore the real estate company who now is the major shareholder of the company AFC Wigan belongs to Moreno?

Papadopaulo and the woman who is his brothers accountant have both resigned as Directors of the company and replaced by Andrew James Clilvered who apparently was some sort of 'agent' I use the term loosely as I don't real understand what is role in all this is.

However it's been mentioned that this Clilvered attempted to fix up a sale with Moreno (I think?) to buy the club BEFORE the Hong Kong bloke did and has done the same again with the Cristo brothers, with Moreno staying in the background - as someone (I thought?) to be the moneyman - a bit like Anderson to Holdsworth if you will - although I don't know if that is an accurate description of their roles in this?

Anyway something doesn't ring true to me but for now anyway it seems Moreno is favourite to buy the club.

572Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Tue Dec 08 2020, 22:17

Ten Bobsworth


Frank Worthington
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This is what infoimpresa have to say about Hause La Fuenta:

https://www.infoempresa.com/en-in/es/company/hause-la-fuente-sl#tab-directors

And this is Dun and Bradstreet's version:

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.hause_la_fuente_sl.daf2e5efe545f5f10608500775a7d22f.html#company-info

Will it all become clear in due course? I wouldn't put money on it.

I reckon you could ask a hundred Bolton supporters about the present financial structure of BWFC and be lucky to find one that had any idea.

573Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Tue Dec 08 2020, 23:26

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Thanks Bob, I suspect it will never become clear, why else all the palaver with him/them/whoever expecting the Wigan Supporters to put in their £850k they collected - which they wouldn't, then the dodgy Spaniard putting in his £1m instead, which the EFL threw out, to now this questionable real estate company becoming on paper the potential new owners of the club!

Doesn't strike me as being all above board but then again the EFL seems happy with Moreno and they are the ones whose opinion matters.

As for the financial structure of BWFC, I'm not sure I even know it myself, so we can't be too hard on the fans who don't even know anything about company finances to begin with!

Hope Sharon has long arms and deep pockets though otherwise we may find ourselves in the sticky stuff again sooner or later.

Fingers crossed though that things go well for us all although the Port Vale result showed there's a long way to go yet though.

574Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 09 2020, 08:37

Ten Bobsworth


Frank Worthington
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You will recall, Sluffy, that 'the fans who don't even know anything about company finances to begin with' were whipped up into a lynch mob by the local media, social media and the Supporters Trust. And it was all too easy because the fans who didn't know anything didn't want to know anything that conflicted with their prejudices and they still don't.


The present position is that FV are disclosing only those things that they are legally obliged to disclose whilst the Supporters Trust and the BN remain just as clueless as they always seem to have been.


The young guy at Wigan, Jay Whittle, might not be getting all the answers but at least he seems to be making a decent effort.

575Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 09 2020, 11:40

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Fair play to young Jay but it also needs to be weighed against the want/need/desire for those he's interviewed to speak to him, I doubt he would have got the Administrators or Ken Anderson to talk publicly - then again you never know until you are asked and Iles certainly didn't try much to get the story - the same can be said about his equivalent on the Wigan paper.

As for our 'fans who didn't know anything didn't want to know anything that conflicted with their prejudices and they still don't', well that is very true but unfortunately that is the same the whole world over on any issue let alone little old BWFC.

There is a great deal of ignorance and prejudice out there and not too many people who rather check out the stuff that is being said than take it as gospel.

I guess it's always has been that way through history but since the introduction of social media it simply has shot off the scale.

We even have people on here who post what they've read on Facebook or twitter as 'fact' and clearly have no idea of the reality of the situation, only just that these 'facts' they've read off there supported their existing beliefs and prejudices.

I would say even less people know how government actually works in respect of what the civil servants do and what the politicians don't but I bet you at least 99 out of 100 people you ask believe that Tory MP's have given hundreds of millions of pounds to their mates during the pandemic - yet it is the civil servants who have total control over the awarding of contracts!

If anything dodgy went on it would have to have been done by a civil servant NOT an MP - and personally I doubt career public servants at that level to influence such awards are the type to do that.

Sadly people (including many clever ones) are inclined to believe anything you feed them as long as it feeds into their existing bias/prejudice/mindset and gives them 'reinforcement' to the belief they were 'right' all along.

They were 'right' about Anderson, 'he was a bad 'un from the beginning, never should have had him' and they are 'right' about the Tory bastards giving massive contracts to their mates, 'they all look after themselves and their mates that lot do' - and when at the end of the day and after official inquiry's have gone on, looked into everything and found nothing amiss, they say 'oh well it was always going to be a cover up wasn't it'!

No it wasn't, the inquiry's simply find out the truth of the matter and if it doesn't match with what people expected then it isn't a cover up, it is them in denial of what actually happened wasn't what they thought had happened and they can't except that, so are in denial of it - many always will be.

Empty vessels make the most noise they, shame some people don't fill up on the facts before sounding off on social media perhaps?

But we know that's never going to happen is it?

We get what we deserve I suppose.

576Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 09 2020, 11:49

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
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If your plan was to further alienate posters on here who don't meet you or ten bobs supposed higher intellect then well done Sluffy it's working a treat  Rolling Eyes

577Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 09 2020, 12:00

wanderlust

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Norpig wrote:If your plan was to further alienate posters on here who don't meet you or ten bobs supposed higher intellect then well done Sluffy it's working a treat  Rolling Eyes
"Higher intellect?"

:rofl:

578Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 09 2020, 12:25

Sluffy

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Norpig wrote:If your plan was to further alienate posters on here who don't meet you or ten bobs supposed higher intellect then well done Sluffy it's working a treat  Rolling Eyes

I'm just stating what is true.

What have I said that isn't?

Anderson HASN'T been found wrong of any wrong doing by the representatives of the court.

Civil servants put government policy into practice - not MP's.

Most people have little understanding of Company Law or how government functions.

People still think Anderson was a crook even though he's been 'investigated' and people on here have already said the inquiries into PPE procurement during covid would be a 'cover up' if they don't find 'cronyism' from MP's to their mates to be the case.

What people 'believe' to be the case and what 'factually' is the case are often two completely separate things - sometimes a simple bit of research, even as basic as googling Wikipedia, can give them a better understanding of what actually is going on, rather than what the social media 'crowd' says is happening.

It really isn't hard NOT to believe everything that is said on social media - even on here - you don't even have to believe me - but just simply check out a few facts for yourself before you join the lynch mobs.

That's all I've ever been saying and you don't have to be the Brain of Britain to spend a few moments, find a few facts and make your own mind up about things than simply following the crowds on Facebook or Twitter.

Is that so unreasonable of me to say such things?

579Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 09 2020, 12:32

Norpig

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All those things may be true Sluffy but the way you come across to the rest of us mere mortals leaves a lot to be desired sometimes. 

As for Wikipedia, hardly a reliable source is it when anyone can amend any article on there.

580Wigan in Administration - Page 29 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration Wed Dec 09 2020, 12:55

Sluffy

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Norpig wrote:All those things may be true Sluffy but the way you come across to the rest of us mere mortals leaves a lot to be desired sometimes. 

As for Wikipedia, hardly a reliable source is it when anyone can amend any article on there.

If you cut me then I bleed to, I'm no different to you or anyone else, I'm certainly not special or claim to be, I just tend to not believe everything I read or am told, most people seem happy to accept as fact what is put in front of them - I've no idea why they do that, or even wish to do that?

As for Wikipedia then again don't take the source as definitive but on most 'boring' things like how governments function, they are more likely to be reasonably accurate than say a football who has just be transferred to a rival club.

Wiki gives you a 'starting point' an 'opening' an entry level access if you will to get some idea of what you are looking for in order for you to search further into it if you needed to.

Do you really think that I'm making myself out to be superior to you and others when all I virtually say is DON'T take social media as gospel and DO check out the facts for yourself.

That's all I do and I'm certainly not the one on here who told us that he has a MBA from a 'superior' awarding body!!!

:rofl:

And even if he did he still voted for Brexit!

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