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1Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Tue Dec 01 2020, 23:13

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
So next up we have another home game against Port Vale.

They have lost there last 5 games, we have won our last 4 and drawn the other.  Should be another 3 points and carry on our great run of results!

Head to Head results

Won: 24 (66.66%)
Lost: 10 (27.78%)
Drawn: 2 (5.56%)

We haven't lost to them since an FA Cup 2nd round match in the 1988-1989 season, where we lost 2-1.

The last time we played them was in the 2016-2017 season in League 1.  We won the game 2-0, with goals from David Wheater and Gary Madine.  Great to see fans at a match again Very Happy, fans ran onto the pitch to celebrate the first.  The win kept us 2 points clear in 2nd place (automatic promotion spot) with a 2 point gap with 1 game to play...

Highlights below:

2Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Wed Dec 02 2020, 10:47

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Should be a win and i think it will be, 2-1 to the Super Whites.

3Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Wed Dec 02 2020, 11:04

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They started off the season really well but have faltered recently yet they were unlucky to lose by the odd goal in 5 against Orient at the weekend and they have a decent team. I reckon this will be tougher than our last few games so I'm thinking it may be a draw even though I'm hoping our lot will continue to improve and whup 'em.

4Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Fri Dec 04 2020, 23:47

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Test time.

5Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 14:03

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The last few games have seen a miraculous and steady change from nowhere. I am aware it can still go pear shaped. However I will push the boat out and say a comfortable win for Bolton today.

6Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 14:07

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
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7Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 14:22

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Thomason interesting change looking forward to seeing him take his chance.

8Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 14:32

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Good luck to the youngster, hope he does very well.

9Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 14:41

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Good luck to the youngster, hope he does very well.
A young lad from the Trevor Sinclair academy, Pro:Direct.

10Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 15:00

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Radio Nuts is now live via the Portal guys!

11Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 17:08

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I thought we'd sorted the defence out but it just goes to show what can happen when a couple of players have a bad day at the back. I only hope it's not because the players had started to believe their own hype.
I was expecting a draw and TBH if we hadn't gifted them a 2 goal lead and then spent the rest of the afternoon chasing the game it might well have turned out that way.
However there are lessons to be learned and I hope they are learned quickly as we have some very tough games coming up.

12Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 17:48

bryan458

bryan458
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Don't tell me, we looked good in training all week !!

13Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 20:17

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
This may sound odd given the fact we lost 3-6at home but I'm actually quite heartened by the result. In the recent past going 2 down in ten minutes would have seen us fold up like wet blankets and resulted most likely in a five or six goal to nil drubbing. To pull three goals back suggests to me we never gave up and there is much more mental toughness in the lads than there has been in previous seasons (Reading springs immediately to mind when considering how bad it can get).

In truth we've been on a very good run in recent weeks but we all knew we still lack a certain amount of quality and experience despite the board and management's efforts. Today is a setback but unlike say two years ago I don't believe it's a fatal blow to the team's long term morale. In truth I think we're just beginning to gel as a squad and that we can and will continue to improve but there will always be the occasional bump in the road. So yes, very disappointed with the result and especially with the way the defence performed in the opening thirty minutes or so but I'm still hopeful about the longer term direction Ian and his coaches are taking us in.

14Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 21:25

Sluffy

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The goals -

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15Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 21:27

Sluffy

Sluffy
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He's not a happy bunny!

16Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sat Dec 05 2020, 23:15

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm not a happy bunny either.
Whilst it's true that a lot of players gave poor performances (although perhaps not quite as bad as Iles' player ratings and comments) and it may be that Evatt reckons they're believing their own hype but perhaps there's also an element of Vale doing their homework, working out that we push Baptiste and Delaney forward and targeting the space they vacate to set up two early sucker goals.

17Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sun Dec 06 2020, 12:04

terenceanne

terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
First thing is not to panic.....one of those games where everything went wrong. Just write it off as a learning experience.
Going forward we are in dire need of a good left winger and we need to move the ball faster through the middle which Ian has said himself. 
Move on to the next game.

18Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sun Dec 06 2020, 15:28

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19Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Sun Dec 06 2020, 16:24

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:First thing is not to panic.....one of those games where everything went wrong. Just write it off as a learning experience.
Going forward we are in dire need of a good left winger and we need to move the ball faster through the middle which Ian has said himself. 
Move on to the next game.
Someone else - Wessy I think - pointed out that we missed Tutte. If we are sticking with three CB's with a view to pushing the wide ones forward, we definitely need a solid screen in front of them to break up attacks and help create in possession. The lads that came in were OK but couldn't do the dirty work so I think we need an athletic defensive mid.

20Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Mon Dec 07 2020, 11:36

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I hope Evatt had them in bright and early yesterday for extra training and made them watch the whole game again. The defending was terrible but the midfield didn't really give them much protection.

We missed Tutte massively as others have mentioned as he sits in front of the back 3 and breaks up play. Comley in theory should be perfect for that job but he is absolutely shite, so i think we could definitely do with a defensive midfielder in January if we can find one.

21Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Mon Dec 07 2020, 11:55

terenceanne

terenceanne
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
Someone else - Wessy I think - pointed out that we missed Tutte. If we are sticking with three CB's with a view to pushing the wide ones forward, we definitely need a solid screen in front of them to break up attacks and help create in possession. The lads that came in were OK but couldn't do the dirty work so I think we need an athletic defensive mid.
Only weeks ago most on here were screaming Tutte was rubbish - now we miss him drastically???
A tweak in the system is required with maybe a back four setup - anyhow a left winger, good right back, and a good backup keeper would be my picks for this window - if such people are even out there.

22Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Mon Dec 07 2020, 12:01

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Tutte has been decent for me TA, he breaks up play and keeps it simple.

The defence was shocking and the right hand side with Baptiste showing that last week was a blip was back to being poor and Kioso left big gaps behind him was especially bad. Kioso is good going forward but needs to work on the defensive side of the game.

23Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Mon Dec 07 2020, 12:07

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I would also say that Crawford needs dropping, far too often his passing lets him down and he was completely anonymous on Saturday. 

Isgrove deserves a start for me and with him in the side we can change from 3412 to 343 if needed during a game. Other alternative would be to play Darcy as the number 10.

24Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Empty Re: Bolton 3-6 Port Vale Mon Dec 07 2020, 15:08

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
Only weeks ago most on here were screaming Tutte was rubbish - now we miss him drastically???
A tweak in the system is required with maybe a back four setup - anyhow a left winger, good right back, and a good backup keeper would be my picks for this window - if such people are even out there.
I can't see Evatt abandoning a back 3 now that we have breathing space between us and the relegation spots.
As regards Tutte, form is temporary as they say and he finally found his before the injury.
Santos was rubbish, then dominant and at the weekend was poor again. Crellin was rubbish, then was Ok and saved a couple of pens, then was error prone again.
Crawford was great for a couple of games but since then has been wasteful.
FWIW I think Kioso is a decent defender especially in the air and his work rate is phenomenal - I just wish Gilks and the CBs would stop aiming for his head to get knock downs all the time.
But Tutte came good in the last few games and provided a solid platform for us that was sadly missing on Saturday. IMO our front four are OK and our CBs are OK when they don't get over-confident as was the case on Saturday so the obvious weakness for me is the midfield in which we need two defensive mids and two creative attack-minded players. Personally I'd be happy with any combo of Crawford, Isgrove, Darcy, Thomason etc  in the former role as it's pretty much what we might expect at this level and we've got loads of players that can do it, but it's the DM's that are the problem IMO.
If we can't find a Muamba type who can put it about, break up play and generally shield the back I'd be inclined to push Big Reiss in there and stick with Baptiste, Santos and Delaney as a back 3 who if they paid as much attention to their defensive positioning as they do to getting forward, would be half decent.

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