Street Justice

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The guy only went in to put a bet on and ended up leaving in a body bag.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:No because i don't believe being murdered is the right punishment for any crime.

He should have got whatever jail term a judge saw fit for robbery.

I don't think anybody was murdered. He was restrained by customers legitimately going about their business, whilst this individual burst in wearing a mask and waving a pistol about. That this brought on a seizure or heart attack or whatever is irrelevant, he was likely to have one in any case. Using emotive language like murder is not accurate.

The geezer concerned had only just come out of prison after serving a term of imprisonment for a previous robbery. He was a career criminal by all accounts and nobody had a good word for him other than his nephew, who said, ' He was a generous guy who would give you his last 50p if he had it.'

Agreed NickFazer. he didn't 'deserve' to die for the crime, (which he didn't complete or gain from), especially as the 'gun' wasn't real. For Nat to carry on like she has, is distasteful to say the least. How nice it must be to be perfect in everything, and claiming the moral high ground at every opportunity.

NickFazer wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:No because i don't believe being murdered is the right punishment for any crime.

He should have got whatever jail term a judge saw fit for robbery.

I don't think anybody was murdered. He was restrained by customers legitimately going about their business, whilst this individual burst in wearing a mask and waving a pistol about. That this brought on a seizure or heart attack or whatever is irrelevant, he was likely to have one in any case. Using emotive language like murder is not accurate.

I don't even know anything about the story, no link was provided.

Nat said he was "twatted" and ended up dead. I just added 2+2 together.

If that didn't happen I'm sorry for using the word "murder" if it was just circumstance then thats unfortunate.

What if they had twatted him? He had a gun, it doesn't matter that it was fake, and was wearing a mask. He deserved a good twatting. Hard luck if you end up dead.

The question was is it justice.

My answer was no.

If someone who is wearing a mask and waving a gun about ends up dead I'd say it was justice tbh.

And thats where we will have to agree to disagree.

gloswhite wrote:Agreed NickFazer. he didn't 'deserve' to die for the crime, (which he didn't complete or gain from), especially as the 'gun' wasn't real.

What utter bollocks.

The fact the gun wasn't real is totally irrelevant - I can assure you that everyone in that bookies thought it was real which is all that matters. Again, the fact he failed in his mission simply isn't the point.

He got exactly what he deserved in my opinion. Shame on people for having sympathy.

This is some good street justice...



Were the people wrong in this video Hipster?

If you go out with a gun then don't cry if you get hurt - is my take on things.

This is part of his back history -

It is understood Mr Levers died at the scene after attempting to rob the Crownhill Road branch of Ladbrokes last night with a fake pistol.

The police have described four customers who tackled him as 'very brave'.

Levers was jailed for four years in 2010 for robbery with an imitation firearm at Costcutter, Mutley Plain, Plymouth.

He terrified a female shopworker into handing over £600 by pointing the weapon at her body and face - and was caught the next day.

Levers, whose address in 2010 was given as Seaview Avenue, Lipson, had convictions for burglary and assault going back to 1976, when he was 13.

He was jailed for 42 months in 2006 for burglary.

He was a recovering heroin user with a significant drink problem.

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/BREAKING-Masked-gunman-dies-bungled-armed-robbery/story-17961433-detail/story.html



Clearly prison was no deterrent to him - and going out with a gun to terrorise people was something he had done before.

Serves him right in my book and fair play to those who stopped him.

That is Matthew Kelly!

Natasha Whittam wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Agreed NickFazer. he didn't 'deserve' to die for the crime, (which he didn't complete or gain from), especially as the 'gun' wasn't real.

What utter bollocks.

The fact the gun wasn't real is totally irrelevant - I can assure you that everyone in that bookies thought it was real which is all that matters. Again, the fact he failed in his mission simply isn't the point.

He got exactly what he deserved in my opinion. Shame on people for having sympathy.

Just for the record I never said I had any sympathy, in fact I don't. When an armed robbery "goes wrong" it is usually an innocent bystander that gets killed or hurt. If you behave in this manner then you forfeit any right for sympathy.

Nat, what I said wasn't 'utter bollocks'. The point I was making was that you thought he deserved to die. I don't think that, although I do believe he deserved sending back to jail, and a knocking about by the people he scared the hell out of, is also in order. I would have preferred him to go back to jail for another long stretch, which would have been a better deterrent than him conking out and side stepping justice, but dying? he didn't deserve that.

gloswhite wrote:Nat, what I said wasn't 'utter bollocks'. The point I was making was that you thought he deserved to die. I don't think that, although I do believe he deserved sending back to jail, and a knocking about by the people he scared the hell out of, is also in order. I would have preferred him to go back to jail for another long stretch, which would have been a better deterrent than him conking out and side stepping justice, but dying? he didn't deserve that.

He is a career criminal, what's the point of putting him inside for a few years only for him to come out and repeat the whole saga again.

Where he's going won't cost the taxpayer anymore money, and the gamblers of Plymouth can waste their lives away in safety.

I don't think anyone who has a 37 year history of offending and as even recently gone to prison for the same offence of robbing with an imitation gun is going to change their behaviour if they got sent to prison yet again.

I doubt very much that he was holding down a job, so what future do you think he would have had - I would have guessed it would have had more crime breaking in it - wouldn't you? (rhetorical question).

He went out with a gun to commit a crime - no tears from me that he didn't come back.

(Edit - Natasha's beaten me to the same point)

I still don't think you are getting my point. This isn't about the man himself, or what he did, its about how cheap life is now, and how someone can wish a mans life away, without a second thought, and mean it ! Some do deserve to die, but not this guy.

gloswhite wrote:I still don't think you are getting my point. This isn't about the man himself, or what he did, its about how cheap life is now, and how someone can wish a mans life away, without a second thought, and mean it ! Some do deserve to die, but not this guy.

I didn't wish his life away, I said I wasn't bothered that he was killed while trying to rob a bookies.

We are too soft in this country, if every robber faced some proper street justice I suspect crime would be cut overnight.