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doffcocker wrote:

We'd still be living in the dark ages with Natasha if it weren't for the likes of Stephen Fry speaking out about the issue.

Stephen Fry loves to live his life in the media. Look at me, look at me - I'm gay. Look at me, look at me - I'm a bit depressed.

If I was gay or wanting to top myself, the fact Stephen Fry told the media his story wouldn't make me feel any better or differently.

Why would someone as wealthy and privileged as Fry want to end his life? Life is amazing, sure its hard but god you only get one crack at it. You will be dead forever once its over anyway.

If Fry was so unhappy, bloody get some cash out, do things he dreams to do, see places he has dreamed of, live it up on champagne and top restaurants, enjoy life.

Fucking bellend.

Michael Bolton wrote:Why would someone as wealthy and privileged as Fry want to end his life? Life is amazing, sure its hard but god you only get one crack at it. You will be dead forever once its over anyway.

If Fry was so unhappy, bloody get some cash out, do things he dreams to do, see places he has dreamed of, live it up on champagne and top restaurants, enjoy life.

Fucking bellend.

Maybe he should maje a documentary where he drives a London taxi across South America and in the last episode he can drive it into the currently erupting volcano in Chile.

doffcocker wrote:There are some right bastards on this site.

You have no idea what it's like to live with a mental disorder, except maybe HPD. If you did, you'd know that rationality doesn't come into it. That's the whole basis of the illness. I think people think they know what depression is because they felt low once over unpaid bills or relationships gone wrong etc. Manic depression is completely different, and just as crippling as many a terrible physical illness. It's just not about what one does or doesn't have going for them. The brain either works or it doesn't, and it's not always linked to the size of your house or the number of cars you own. It's like every bodily organ in that respect. If Stephen Fry was offered mental stability for life in exchange for his rich lifestyle, he'd take it.

I've never got the idea of suicide being "selfish". I'd consider myself selfish for expecting a family member to live a life they resented all for my own purposes.
And I don't see the "cowardliness" either. If somebody's willing to put a rope around their neck, it tells you something either about some level of bravery or the pain they were in to go to such extremes.

It's always comforting to read that some posters are quite capable of separating the wheat from the chaff. Some people suffer from severe depression and taking their own life is not a cry for help but a genuine attempt to put an end to their living hell. Until you have been there it's easy to scoff.

If he really wanted to end it though it isn't too hard to do.

Taking a few pills and drinking some vodka is attention seeking though.

I haven't got a strong opinion one way or t'other.

Although it always puzzles me how these depressed suicidal people live a normal (ish) life. Surely if you are that depressed it will affect your everyday life?

Take Gary Speed for example, he was on tele not long before he killed himself yet there were no signs of what was coming, not even to his family.

I'll probably never understand it.

Copper Dragon wrote:I haven't got a strong opinion one way or t'other.

Although it always puzzles me how these depressed suicidal people live a normal (ish) life. Surely if you are that depressed it will affect your everyday life?

Take Gary Speed for example, he was on tele not long before he killed himself yet there were no signs of what was coming, not even to his family.

I'll probably never understand it.

Nobody claims to have seen any signs when it happens, but later they start to blame themselves for not noticing things which could have changed things.

Reebok Trotter wrote:

doffcocker wrote:There are some right bastards on this site.

You have no idea what it's like to live with a mental disorder, except maybe HPD. If you did, you'd know that rationality doesn't come into it. That's the whole basis of the illness. I think people think they know what depression is because they felt low once over unpaid bills or relationships gone wrong etc. Manic depression is completely different, and just as crippling as many a terrible physical illness. It's just not about what one does or doesn't have going for them. The brain either works or it doesn't, and it's not always linked to the size of your house or the number of cars you own. It's like every bodily organ in that respect. If Stephen Fry was offered mental stability for life in exchange for his rich lifestyle, he'd take it.

I've never got the idea of suicide being "selfish". I'd consider myself selfish for expecting a family member to live a life they resented all for my own purposes.
And I don't see the "cowardliness" either. If somebody's willing to put a rope around their neck, it tells you something either about some level of bravery or the pain they were in to go to such extremes.

It's always comforting to read that some posters are quite capable of separating the wheat from the chaff. Some people suffer from severe depression and taking their own life is not a cry for help but a genuine attempt to put an end to their living hell. Until you have been there it's easy to scoff.

Agreed.

Some people know that I had certain issues about 2 years ago. But It has to be said that highlighting any sort of mental illness whether its long term as in Stephen Fry or in short-term an nowhere near as bad as what happened to me, is fantastic as it brings it to the nations mind (so to speak).

It happens to at least 35% of the population sometime in their life whether its depression or Alzheimers its all mental illness and needs to be brought to the fore to get the finance to find out as to why it actually occurs.

It is the ignorant who scoff at the idea that it exists and don't know any better - just wait until they actually know someone close or, god help, themselves if they have to go through it. They will change their views.

You bunch of bellends, the point of this thread is about celebs living their lives in the media through CHOICE.

Mr Amos, I'm sorry about your past problems but I'm guessing you didn't ring the Daily Mail to tell them all about it.

Natasha Whittam wrote:You bunch of bellends, the point of this thread is about celebs living their lives in the media through CHOICE.

Mr Amos, I'm sorry about your past problems but I'm guessing you didn't ring the Daily Mail to tell them all about it.

But does Mr Fry live his life through the media?

No he doesn't!!! Yes he is teh host of QI and does a bit of acting every now and again.

If he was living his life in the media, then we would have heard about his mental bump lobg before now as it happened in 2012 and not last week!!! He is a big advocat of Twitter, but so are quite a few on here - so does that mean they live their life via the media? (but saying that the incident in question was never tweeted!)

Natasha Whittam wrote:You bunch of bellends, the point of this thread is about celebs living their lives in the media through CHOICE.

Mr Amos, I'm sorry about your past problems but I'm guessing you didn't ring the Daily Mail to tell them all about it.

Maybe he needed the money?

Stephen Fry publicises his problems with mental illness because he is the President of the mental illness charity MIND. Mental illness carries a stigma and still these days people can be ashamed of saying they are mentally ill. If you have a broken leg or an obvious physical illness other people easily recognise this,accept it and are sympathetic. Not so with mental illness, you're more likely to be regarded as a loony or just a strange person. Prominent people in society who are prepared to come out and admit their struggles with mental illness like Fry and Denise Welch (I know, she gets on my t1ts as well) are performing a vital function for people with mental health problems in that they can see that if famous people like Stephen Fry can suffer then maybe they are not so different,unusual or alone.
Is anybody seriously suggesting that Stephen Fry needs either £50,000 from the Daily Mail or some more publicity.
The phrase mental illness covers all sorts of things from Clinical and Manic Depression,Self Harm,OCD,Schizophrenia to Alzheimer's Disease.
I can always accept that people who have never suffered from any of the above (and I guess you can probably tell that I have) have no idea of the suffering these illnesses can cause (and let's face it,each of the the above named illnesses can lead a person to take his own life)and until someone's been through it themself they never will properly understand. But some of you on this thread who have been calling various people bell-ends etc.and ridiculing the likes of Stephen Fry, how will you cope if you are just one of the many people who are struck down by the mental illness that is Alzheimer's in your later years. Will you just be able to dismiss that easily as well.

So what illness have you had then Hip Priest (you don't have to tell me because I'm being a nosy bastard)?

I suffer a bit of OCD, it's minor though.

I have to have the dishwasher stacked as I want it stacked, if it's not stacked as I want it stacked then it effects my evening (true is that).

It's remedied with a few bevvies though and everything is hunky dory again.

Hip Priest wrote:Stephen Fry publicises his problems with mental illness because he is the President of the mental illness charity MIND. Mental illness carries a stigma and still these days people can be ashamed of saying they are mentally ill. If you have a broken leg or an obvious physical illness other people easily recognise this,accept it and are sympathetic. Not so with mental illness, you're more likely to be regarded as a loony or just a strange person. Prominent people in society who are prepared to come out and admit their struggles with mental illness like Fry and Denise Welch (I know, she gets on my t1ts as well) are performing a vital function for people with mental health problems in that they can see that if famous people like Stephen Fry can suffer then maybe they are not so different,unusual or alone.
Is anybody seriously suggesting that Stephen Fry needs either £50,000 from the Daily Mail or some more publicity.
The phrase mental illness covers all sorts of things from Clinical and Manic Depression,Self Harm,OCD,Schizophrenia to Alzheimer's Disease.
I can always accept that people who have never suffered from any of the above (and I guess you can probably tell that I have) have no idea of the suffering these illnesses can cause (and let's face it,each of the the above named illnesses can lead a person to take his own life)and until someone's been through it themself they never will properly understand. But some of you on this thread who have been calling various people bell-ends etc.and ridiculing the likes of Stephen Fry, how will you cope if you are just one of the many people who are struck down by the mental illness that is Alzheimer's in your later years. Will you just be able to dismiss that easily as well.

It could work both ways. People could see that a famous, clever, intelligent and rich man like Fry can't hack it in this world so what the fook have they got to live for?

This thread was never meant to bash people with mental illness, I was bashing the need for people to tell the world about their problems. Often for cash.

If I was ill and I sent Stephen Fry an e-mail telling him my woes do you think he would give a shit? Of course not, so why should we give a shit about his problems just because he is famous?

[quote="Natasha Whittam"]I've made my feelings quite clear on suicide, unless you have a terminal illness it is a cowardly thing to do. Top yourself and leave your family to find your dead body swinging from the rafters or with a bullet through your brain.

Nice.

But one thing I hate more than suicide is people feeling the need to tell the world they tried to commit suicide. Today that utter bellend Stephen Fry has decided to inform the world that he tried to kill himself last year.

Why does he have to tell us? Why should we care? Could it be a cynical ploy to get £50k from a tabloid newspaper for his "story".

Fuck off Fry, I wish your attempt had been successful

I hate people who think suicide is the answer. Are you with me?[/quote No you moron.

" If I was ill and I sent Stephen Fry an e-mail telling him my woes do you think he would give a shit? Of course not, so why should we give a shit about his problems just because he is famous?"

I know Fry can be a bit of a plonker at times but you just don't get it. He's not asking for you or anybody else to give a shit about HIM, or HIS illness, for you to show him some sympathy, and least of all for anybody's money. He is using his position as a rich,famous celebrity to draw people's attention to the fact that mental illness can strike ANYONE in ANY walk of life down and is a life threatening illness. Even before the days of austerity government spending on mental health issues and funding to organisations has been slashed drastically over recent years. I was a Director of MHIST, a Bolton based mental health organisation for 2 years and believe me, the amount of help available out there for sufferers is pitiful/non existant and has been decreasing rapidly year on year for a while now.

Stephen Fry is President of the charity MIND and is doing a good job of drawing public attention to mental health issues and that is why he is rightly being praised for admitting to the difficulties he has faced in his life. Believe it or not, money and fame are not the guarantors of happiness in this life that many people assume they are.

Hip Priest wrote:" If I was ill and I sent Stephen Fry an e-mail telling him my woes do you think he would give a shit? Of course not, so why should we give a shit about his problems just because he is famous?"

I know Fry can be a bit of a plonker at times but you just don't get it. He's not asking for you or anybody else to give a shit about HIM, or HIS illness, for you to show him some sympathy, and least of all for anybody's money. He is using his position as a rich,famous celebrity to draw people's attention to the fact that mental illness can strike ANYONE in ANY walk of life down and is a life threatening illness. Even before the days of austerity government spending on mental health issues and funding to organisations has been slashed drastically over recent years. I was a Director of MHIST, a Bolton based mental health organisation for 2 years and believe me, the amount of help available out there for sufferers is pitiful/non existant and has been decreasing rapidly year on year for a while now.

Stephen Fry is President of the charity MIND and is doing a good job of drawing public attention to mental health issues and that is why he is rightly being praised for admitting to the difficulties he has faced in his life. Believe it or not, money and fame are not the guarantors of happiness in this life that many people assume they are.

I may not be famous, but my financial situation makes me very happy.

waynagain wrote:

Hip Priest wrote:" If I was ill and I sent Stephen Fry an e-mail telling him my woes do you think he would give a shit? Of course not, so why should we give a shit about his problems just because he is famous?"

I know Fry can be a bit of a plonker at times but you just don't get it. He's not asking for you or anybody else to give a shit about HIM, or HIS illness, for you to show him some sympathy, and least of all for anybody's money. He is using his position as a rich,famous celebrity to draw people's attention to the fact that mental illness can strike ANYONE in ANY walk of life down and is a life threatening illness. Even before the days of austerity government spending on mental health issues and funding to organisations has been slashed drastically over recent years. I was a Director of MHIST, a Bolton based mental health organisation for 2 years and believe me, the amount of help available out there for sufferers is pitiful/non existant and has been decreasing rapidly year on year for a while now.

Stephen Fry is President of the charity MIND and is doing a good job of drawing public attention to mental health issues and that is why he is rightly being praised for admitting to the difficulties he has faced in his life. Believe it or not, money and fame are not the guarantors of happiness in this life that many people assume they are.

I may not be famous, but my financial situation makes me very happy.

Your still a cunt though

At least I'm not a pedo

waynagain wrote:At least I'm not a pedo

You mean paedo, right?