We can't keep on blaming the managers.

It's about time the chairman stood up to the music .

I disagree. Successive managers have not got the best out of what are thought to be decent enough players at this level. It was reported that Dougie "read the riot act" after the Blackburn game and with good reason.
The problem seems to be the dynamic between the manager and players and having watched some of the individual performances, I'm inclined to think that our failure to get results so far is partially due to the system but mainly due to players not pulling their weight.
Sure we could improve the quality of the playing staff, but whoever pulls on the shirt should be fighting for their place and fighting for the team - and some don't appear to be doing so.
TBH I can accept our financial position if the players we do have play to the best of their ability and show commitment to the cause.
For me. most of the problem lies with the attitude of some players, and to a lesser extent with the manager.

the problem for me is not the manager, its the players who are on big money here and don't want to move on because they won't get the same wages anywhere else. They are just coasting and not putting the effort in.
Dougie can read the riot act but with the sqaud as it is, nothing much will change for the Leeds game

Apart from sacking Dougie i'm not sure what else Gartside can do, the players signed over the summer are obviously dougies targets and gartside and the board have backed him to a certain extent so far by bringing in the likes of Spearing and Baptiste on high wages.

The buck stops and always will stop with the manager, he obviously isn't getting the best out of the players but I can guarantee if you give this set of players to Big sam we wouldn't be sitting at the foot of the table.

Hopefully Dougie will back up his strong words after the Blackburn match with strong actions when it comes to team selection. However I reckon some of the players have got him over a barrel and won't mind if they don't play providing they still get paid.

wanderlust wrote:Hopefully Dougie will back up his strong words after the Blackburn match with strong actions when it comes to team selection.

I'm willing to bet my new fanny that Zat Knight is captain for the Leeds game.

Stop going on about your fanny. It's an old and tired joke in every sense.

wanderlust wrote:Stop going on about your fanny. It's an old and tired joke in every sense.

No need for insults.

Norpig wrote:the problem for me is not the manager, its the players who are on big money here and don't want to move on because they won't get the same wages anywhere else. They are just coasting and not putting the effort in.

I agree to an extent. I don't think the attitude of the squad has been good enough for a long time, lacking passion and desire. It's of course down to the manager to sort that, but he's hamstrung by the lack of funds and the fact he can't shift the shite that we have. The squad needs refreshing to be fair but unless results pick up on the pitch we'll struggle to attract the right type of player.

If we're getting nothing out of the first team players, then it's up to the manager to either ship them out, and/or bring in the youngsters, because we aren't going to win anything the way we are

In answer to the title, we can, and we will.

When Freedman is fired at Christmas and Gartside hires in Ronnie Moore and he loses his last three games in charge, we'll all be chanting Moore out again won't we.

It never goes above the manager does it, the problem could be further up the root.

If I was Freedman I would pick 11 players that want to play even if they aren't the most most talented, this league is tough and it is competitive but hard work and organisation go a long way to getting the points and performances needed to move up the league. If we send out a team against Leeds with some fire in their bellies, that gets in their faces and looks to take the game to them then the fans will get behind them, one performance like that might be all it takes to get us going. Roll over and the atmosphere will get toxic.

I would love to see 11 young lads out there busting a gut even if they lost quite honestly.

but the pressures of modern football mean no manager in their right mind would do that, should they want to keep their job. Or, of course, if they have some supremely talented young players, which we clearly don't.

I think we'll back off Leeds and Leeds will bang a couple in, it'll be like a home game for them , 5000 fans going mental.

hopefully we get an early goal to shut them all up.

I think we'll get beat though, we've just not got it in us.

I honestly think things will start turning around against Leeds, I have seen a couple of their matches this season and they are far from world beaters at this level, Mcdermot is a decent manager but it's an average set of players at best.

Leeds are a decent side - pretty average for this division, but have some young talent, are better organised and less suicidal defensively than us and have a few good players like McCormack and Varney.
Get real - this will be a tough challenge.
If Dougie turns our team around in time for this match - and there's a lot to do in all departments - he'll have done a great job.

Get real? I know it's not going to be a walk in the park but if you look at the fixtures so far you can't deny this looks the ''easier'' of the lot, with us being at home aswell.

Though as you say they probably don't have a suicidal defence like we do at present, everytime I see Blackburns first goal from Saturday it looks worse.  

When does the loan deal window open?

If I remember correctly it's either next monday or tuesday.