If Dougie were to go...

Let's face it, whichever manager we pick he will be shite so we might as well put a player manager in charge who will also improve the team. A 30+ player from the PL.

Frank Lampard or Peter Crouch for example.

Novel idea there Nat, and pie in the sky, unfortunately.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:Is there only me who thinks our last interim management setup worked quite well?

They just came in to continue the brainless work of Coyle for three matches until a replacement was found. Same mentality, same mindless decisions, same record of win one, draw one, lose one.

I've no idea why people are/were so loved up with this arrangement, particularly when one of them is the worst manager we've ever had.

If Dougie were to go....some other poor sod would be left trying to teach the same squad how to do the basics right and would probably have even less success.

I think we'll be with Doug until he walks out on us for a bigger club .

scottjames30 wrote:I think we'll be with Doug until he walks out on us for a bigger club .

Which will never happen cause he's fucking shit!!!!!!

Moyes, he'll be looking for work soon.

If Dougie were to go then I'd offer the job to Mickey flipping Mouse! We might as well seeing some of the names others (including myself) have bandied about. 

On a serious note how about something I suggested back in the Megson days? 

Peter Reid as Director of Football, Phil Brown as Head Coach with Little Sam and Jimmy as assistants. 

Also (again recycling an old suggestion of mine) a specialist coach for each of the four main areas of play. GK, DEF,MID,ATT using former players who actually played in those positions and know what they're talking about.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:If Dougie were to go then I'd offer the job to Mickey flipping Mouse! We might as well seeing some of the names others (including myself) have bandied about. 

On a serious note how about something I suggested back in the Megson days? 

Peter Reid as Director of Football, Phil Brown as Head Coach with Little Sam and Jimmy as assistants. 

Also (again recycling an old suggestion of mine) a specialist coach for each of the four main areas of play. GK, DEF,MID,ATT using former players who actually played in those positions and know what they're talking about.

...and whilst we're throwing money we don't have about, why not buy out Allardyce's contract and offer him £300 million to buy a new squad with?
We could bring in Pep Guardiola as his assistant and put Mourinho on the coaching staff. It's a shame Einstein's dead otherwise he would be useful with performance science side of things but we could always hire Mo Farrar to help out with fitness and Messi to teach them some decent technique.

Really don't understand why the Board is prevaricating when the solution is so blindingly obvious.

wanderlust wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:If Dougie were to go then I'd offer the job to Mickey flipping Mouse! We might as well seeing some of the names others (including myself) have bandied about. 

On a serious note how about something I suggested back in the Megson days? 

Peter Reid as Director of Football, Phil Brown as Head Coach with Little Sam and Jimmy as assistants. 

Also (again recycling an old suggestion of mine) a specialist coach for each of the four main areas of play. GK, DEF,MID,ATT using former players who actually played in those positions and know what they're talking about.

...and whilst we're throwing money we don't have about, why not buy out Allardyce's contract and offer him £300 million to buy a new squad with?
We could bring in Pep Guardiola as his assistant and put Mourinho on the coaching staff. It's a shame Einstein's dead otherwise he would be useful with performance science side of things but we could always hire Mo Farrar to help out with fitness and Messi to teach them some decent technique.

Really don't understand why the Board is prevaricating when the solution is so blindingly obvious.

That's not enough!! Get that bronze statue of Nat at the front door- put a shirt on him and stick him in the penalty area -we can sub him at half time as we'd be 5 up by then

We could set up a feeder academy in Columbia and bring over a team of Columbian "businessmen" to ensure that key opposition players have an accident immediately prior to our games. Same businessmen could give a video presentation to the leaders of the Football League entitled "what your children did this morning" to incentivise them to slap a 30 point deduction on all other Championship clubs. The Referees Association would also benefit from a similar awareness-raising campaign.
We would definitely be in with a chance of survival with those boys on board.

wanderlust wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:If Dougie were to go then I'd offer the job to Mickey flipping Mouse! We might as well seeing some of the names others (including myself) have bandied about. 

On a serious note how about something I suggested back in the Megson days? 

Peter Reid as Director of Football, Phil Brown as Head Coach with Little Sam and Jimmy as assistants. 

Also (again recycling an old suggestion of mine) a specialist coach for each of the four main areas of play. GK, DEF,MID,ATT using former players who actually played in those positions and know what they're talking about.

...and whilst we're throwing money we don't have about, why not buy out Allardyce's contract and offer him £300 million to buy a new squad with?
We could bring in Pep Guardiola as his assistant and put Mourinho on the coaching staff. It's a shame Einstein's dead otherwise he would be useful with performance science side of things but we could always hire Mo Farrar to help out with fitness and Messi to teach them some decent technique.

Really don't understand why the Board is prevaricating when the solution is so blindingly obvious.

Like I said to begin the post I know it's not going to happen and we don't have any dosh to do it with but IF Dougie were to go then I feel the team I just suggested above would be a viable one. Obviously some backroom staff would have to go to make room for this to happen and without wishing the sack on anyone (I've been sacked in the past and it's not nice) the fact is that we'd have to get rid of some people to free up money to pay the new ones. It's similar to the player situation, no money to buy new unless we get rid of the old and use the wages they were getting to fund the new ones. 

My actual opinion is that Dougie is doing what he can with what we have and that no one else could do much better. It's pointless to sack him and face another compo bill when the players just aren't good enough. I doubt even the late great Brian Clough and Peter Taylor teamup could do much with the current squad.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:If Dougie were to go then I'd offer the job to Mickey flipping Mouse! We might as well seeing some of the names others (including myself) have bandied about. 

On a serious note how about something I suggested back in the Megson days? 

Peter Reid as Director of Football, Phil Brown as Head Coach with Little Sam and Jimmy as assistants. 

Also (again recycling an old suggestion of mine) a specialist coach for each of the four main areas of play. GK, DEF,MID,ATT using former players who actually played in those positions and know what they're talking about.

...and whilst we're throwing money we don't have about, why not buy out Allardyce's contract and offer him £300 million to buy a new squad with?
We could bring in Pep Guardiola as his assistant and put Mourinho on the coaching staff. It's a shame Einstein's dead otherwise he would be useful with performance science side of things but we could always hire Mo Farrar to help out with fitness and Messi to teach them some decent technique.

Really don't understand why the Board is prevaricating when the solution is so blindingly obvious.

Like I said to begin the post I know it's not going to happen and we don't have any dosh to do it with but IF Dougie were to go then I feel the team I just suggested above would be a viable one. Obviously some backroom staff would have to go to make room for this to happen and without wishing the sack on anyone (I've been sacked in the past and it's not nice) the fact is that we'd have to get rid of some people to free up money to pay the new ones. It's similar to the player situation, no money to buy new unless we get rid of the old and use the wages they were getting to fund the new ones. 

My actual opinion is that Dougie is doing what he can with what we have and that no one else could do much better. It's pointless to sack him and face another compo bill when the players just aren't good enough. I doubt even the late great Brian Clough and Peter Taylor teamup could do much with the current squad.

Agreed. If this lot could retain possession and show a bit more quality we'd be doing fine. Hopefully our weak board recognise that the problem is with the players and cut Dougie some slack to rebuild and reshape the squad over the next few years.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

My actual opinion is that Dougie is doing what he can with what we have and that no one else could do much better.

I just don't agree with that. Dougie has his hands tied in the transfer market granted (although they found the cash for Beckford & Spearing so it's not like we're Accrington Stanley), but we are in the shit due to his shit grasp of tactics and players.

He has a plan A and he sticks to it regardless. We used plan A for the first 10 matches and won fuck all, it suddenly comes off at Birmingham so he'll use it for another 10 games.

We aren't going to get a top class manager, but a manager who can play to our few strengths and adapt to the game and the opposition would be a huge improvement.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

My actual opinion is that Dougie is doing what he can with what we have and that no one else could do much better.

I just don't agree with that. Dougie has his hands tied in the transfer market granted (although they found the cash for Beckford & Spearing so it's not like we're Accrington Stanley), but we are in the shit due to his shit grasp of tactics and players.

He has a plan A and he sticks to it regardless. We used plan A for the first 10 matches and won fuck all, it suddenly comes off at Birmingham so he'll use it for another 10 games.

We aren't going to get a top class manager, but a manager who can play to our few strengths and adapt to the game and the opposition would be a huge improvement.

The last time someone said that we got a certain S Allardyce who was seen as a decent-ish manager but was popular with the fans. Hmmm, anyone know if John McGinlay has his coaching badges?   

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

My actual opinion is that Dougie is doing what he can with what we have and that no one else could do much better.

I just don't agree with that. Dougie has his hands tied in the transfer market granted (although they found the cash for Beckford & Spearing so it's not like we're Accrington Stanley), but we are in the shit due to his shit grasp of tactics and players.

He has a plan A and he sticks to it regardless. We used plan A for the first 10 matches and won fuck all, it suddenly comes off at Birmingham so he'll use it for another 10 games.

We aren't going to get a top class manager, but a manager who can play to our few strengths and adapt to the game and the opposition would be a huge improvement.

And change tactics during the game as the situation dictates.  It sounds like we have had two Coyle's in a row... stubborn and nonresponsive to the way the opposition is playing.

I know in American football, if the quarterback came out and played the same game every week, he would not a game, nor would he be able to avoid being sacked all game. It falls onto the offensive and defensive coaches to scout the opposition each week, come up with a game plan, and have alternative plans that have been worked on all week.  They then sit in the press box and watch the opposition during the game and adapt to the various changes they see. As you have stressed, you need to adapt the game to the opposition before and during the game itself.  If you see a flaw in the opposition's defense, attack that space.  If the opposition changes its defense, you must adapt to it... but you must be prepared going into the game for those possibilities. There is usually a weak link in the opposition and good coaches exploit those weaknesses.  Unfortunately, our opposition has found weakness on our side, and exploit it since DF does not change his game plan.  We need to adapt (and a few better players or have heart might help also!)

Flies in the face of Dougie subbing Feeney and bringing on Lee which did improve things chance-wise against Wednesday.

observer wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

My actual opinion is that Dougie is doing what he can with what we have and that no one else could do much better.

I just don't agree with that. Dougie has his hands tied in the transfer market granted (although they found the cash for Beckford & Spearing so it's not like we're Accrington Stanley), but we are in the shit due to his shit grasp of tactics and players.

He has a plan A and he sticks to it regardless. We used plan A for the first 10 matches and won fuck all, it suddenly comes off at Birmingham so he'll use it for another 10 games.

We aren't going to get a top class manager, but a manager who can play to our few strengths and adapt to the game and the opposition would be a huge improvement.

And change tactics during the game as the situation dictates.  It sounds like we have had two Coyle's in a row... stubborn and nonresponsive to the way the opposition is playing.

I know in American football, if the quarterback came out and played the same game every week, he would not a game, nor would he be able to avoid being sacked all game. It falls onto the offensive and defensive coaches to scout the opposition each week, come up with a game plan, and have alternative plans that have been worked on all week.  They then sit in the press box and watch the opposition during the game and adapt to the various changes they see. As you have stressed, you need to adapt the game to the opposition before and during the game itself.  If you see a flaw in the opposition's defense, attack that space.  If the opposition changes its defense, you must adapt to it... but you must be prepared going into the game for those possibilities. There is usually a weak link in the opposition and good coaches exploit those weaknesses.  Unfortunately, our opposition has found weakness on our side, and exploit it since DF does not change his game plan.  We need to adapt (and a few better players or have heart might help also!)

And if he has the worst O line in football he will be sacked whatever the game plan is. Quite frankly you can have the most wonderful adaptive system on the planet but if your personnel lack the ability to carry it out you will fail. 

You think if the Jags copied the Broncos system they'd be 7-0 right now? No they'd still be awful because they have absolutely ZERO talent. 

the fact of the matter is we're performing below expectation and the manager takes some of that blame.

early season games were blighted by individual errors, thats something you just cannot account for. If he sends them out 4-4-2 and Bogdan drops it in his net or Knight gives it away for a goal it's not the system thats failing it's the players. 

With a team like ours, with absolutely no money to speak of, the board only have 2 options, bring in an arse kicker for a short term fix (naturally he will have failed elsewhere and likely "peaked" otherwise why would he be managing bolton?) 

or a manager with success in the lower leagues who projects as someone who will give you a "success" (whatever that is) longer term who is still carrying a lot of upside. 

neither guarantee "success."

Should there have to be a new man i would be desperately seeking someone out with a record of getting their teams to play attacking, patient and composed football. Something this team hasn't a very very long time.

If Dougie were to go? Well, Bet Victor have Chris Coleman down as 6/4 favourite for the job.  

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I like the sound of Alan Irvine at 66/1.

But I'd take Glen Hoddle also at 66/1, or David Beckham at 250/1.

Trouble is, if we had Hoddle or Beckham they'd be our best player by far. I can just imagine Hoddle trying to teach Medo the art of controlling a ball. He'd be bald inside a week.