Grangemouth

This story made me chuckle, right that's it we are not accepting your demands.
Fuck you then I will shut it down, mass panic.

Ok we accept, fecking Union's.




http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/25/grangemouth-stay-open-save-jobs_n_4162220.html

Made me laugh too!

Unions can be a good thing but when they act as though they are all powerful like back in the 1970's, then they really have only themselves to blame for looking stupid.

Some of them haven't grasp that it is now about a global economy and if the union want to price themselves out of being competitive then firms will simply move the jobs elsewhere

I wouldn#'t like to be in their shoes in the coming year or two, as there's nothing they can do now to stop wholesale cutbacks and changes. Whatever union idiot decided to take the route they did, should be chucked out on his ear, the bloody idiot. They;ll probably suffer more than if they had accepted earlier settlements.

The owner made it clear weeks ago that they couldn't continue running it at a loss of millions so you would think the union would have been a bit more flexible.

Yep. Had it been the only one they owned, they might have got away with it, but its one of many.

Reebok Trotter wrote:The owner made it clear weeks ago that they couldn't continue running it at a loss of millions so you would think the union would have been a bit more flexible.

I wonder if this 'loss of millions' and the 'mandatory pay cuts' will be reflected in the directors payments as well? 

Will it fuck. 

Thats the only way business are run, cut back on your minions standard of living or simply fuck them off to make yours better. 

Thatcher made it so  the super-rich can fuck over the skilled workers of this country and make themselves richer...

Dead right rebel,that's how it works. You won't see any ordinary workers getting a bonus for failure.

Rebel, I think I remember you telling us that you were starting up your own business.

I hope it goes well for you if you do.

It will be you that is taking the risk of putting in your money, time and effort to make your business successful and profitable - and of course if it is you deserve the awards in brings you.

What though if you employ people and they basically say 'we want more money than your business can afford to pay us - in fact you will have to go in to your own personal savings (maybe sell your house or car in order to do it) because we don't want to be paid less - in fact we want a pay rise - and if you don't give it to us we will go on strike!'.

You've got a choice though - you can shut down and open say in India - and even make a profit when you were actually losing money back home.

What would you do?

Would you flog your house, tell the kids that you can't take them on holiday, rob your granny, to pay more than your business earns each year to selfish, greedy, demanding union officials, for workers who weren't prepaired to cut back to help you and therefore themselves too - or would you say - fuck you, I'll set up somewhere where they aren't greedy, feckless bastards?

Would you tell your directors - say your mum, dad, sister and gran, that they were taking a pay cut this year and next, whilst your business continues to lose money - to give the work force a pay rise!

Theres good employers and bad ones Rebel - but so to are the good workers / unions and greedy, selfish ones as well!

boltonbonce wrote:Dead right rebel,that's how it works. You won't see any ordinary workers getting a bonus for failure.

Bankers seem to manage it!

Bankers get money for fuck all. Most of them still peel banana's with their feet.

I Know what you mean Sluffy and In a way I do agree, im in work so cant post a long reply however, my thoughts on the matter would be that if I built up a successful company, I would be responsible for keeping it running well and financially viable. 

If my company failed through me or my directors incompetence or greed, then I don't see how I should be rewarded for my stupidity by running with all the money and destroying several (or in this case hundreds) of hard working peoples lives and get away with it Scott free. 

I agree the unions went a bit to far, but everyone who works hard deserves a half decent standard of living in return.

Britain is the home of the industrial revolution. The north west especially something we should be proud of. Goods manufactured here were exported around the world and produced great wealth for the country. Coal powered the great machines, coal found in the north west (amongst other places).
Unfortunately the workers on the shop floor and in the pits, did not share in this wealth. 

Any halfway decent standard of living people in this country have is because the common man (and I mean that in the true and most respectful sense) has been organised and has had to fight for their share.
Dreadful working conditions in the mines and the mills and heavy engineering meant many deaths or disability resulting in the bread winner unable to win bread.
Idiots today mock and ridicule health and safety regulations, these same people, for some bizarre reason often spell health as 'elff' or some other mangled effort (no need to ask who they vote for).

Why is it that we are told that the ones at the top, our Lords and Masters must be given £millions or else they will be off to god knows where, where as the workers are told. 'Take it or leave it, you're lucky to have a job, there's plenty others if you don't want it'.

When I queried certain practices within my own workplace it was made known to me in no uncertain terms that my criticism was unwelcome.My boss said,and I quote, "we can always get a couple of Poles in". In other words,I should be thankful for my job,and keep my mouth shut,an attitude becoming all too familiar.

boltonbonce wrote:When I queried certain practices within my own workplace it was made known to me in no uncertain terms that my criticism was unwelcome.My boss said,and I quote, "we can always get a couple of Poles in". In other words,I should be thankful for my job,and keep my mouth shut,an attitude becoming all too familiar.

Cameron can always stand up and bully the weak(workers, or should I say wealth makers, or the poor) but falls down when lined up against the strong(bankers and big business). I use this as a parallel to your situation Boltonbonce.

Soul Kitchen wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:When I queried certain practices within my own workplace it was made known to me in no uncertain terms that my criticism was unwelcome.My boss said,and I quote, "we can always get a couple of Poles in". In other words,I should be thankful for my job,and keep my mouth shut,an attitude becoming all too familiar.

Cameron can always stand up and bully the weak(workers, or should I say wealth makers, or the poor) but falls down when lined up against the strong(bankers and big business). I use this as a parallel to your situation Boltonbonce.

I would smack the prick in the face if I ever got the chance SK.

I've had my own business for the last twenty five years but have never forgotten my roots and how my parents provided. I'd vote for a pig with a pair of headphones on before I'd vote Tory!!


https://youtu.be/4-iNTRJEELc

I'd like to chop Cameron's head off with a blunt Axe 

Sluffy wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:Dead right rebel,that's how it works. You won't see any ordinary workers getting a bonus for failure.

Bankers seem to manage it!

So do CEO's of ALL major companies.

Plus only 2% of all bankers get a bonus. Of those that do in the Retail, Business and Corporate they have gone above and beyond their contract and then its minimal compared to the gambling Bankers (i.e. those in Canary Wharf).

Been at the whim of employees who you have paid good wages to,gave good bonuses,time off for family problems etc etc then when it comes down to pay back time,things are tough,we need to pull together to get through this all you get is Fuck you !!!! I didnt have the balls to do what the owners of Grangemouth have done,I sold my company instead and let some fucker else have a go with the ungratefull shits. I now sleep easy at nights by the way not having to worry about x numbers of families I was responsible for.

Tigermin wrote:Been at the whim of employees who you have paid good wages to,gave good bonuses,time off for family problems etc etc then when it comes down to pay back time,things are tough,we need to pull together to get through this all you get is Fuck you !!!! I didnt have the balls to do what the owners of Grangemouth have done,I sold my company instead and let some fucker else have a go with the ungratefull shits. I now sleep easy at nights by the way not having to worry about x numbers of families I was responsible for.

I am getting to the same point as you did, It seam's the traffic only goes 1 way.