Back him, or sack him.

What pisses me off about Freedman is post match comments, " the performances are there" bla bla bla, he's either deluded or a liar.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:What are we actually playing for though. What is "success" for a club like us in this new climate. 

Forget the big sam days, football has changed exponentially since even then. 

thats the point I've got to now with football.

Is it about success though? I go to the football to be entertained, the result is actually secondary to me. If I see all 11 players giving 100% and trying to pass the ball then I am relatively happy.

I remember the first couple of seasons in the Prem, both times we got relegated but the players gave 100% and we saw some really entertaining games.

We seem to have lost sight of the fact that we are paying money to be entertained, managers like Dougie should have no place in professional football - but until the happy clappers like Reebok Trotter and Nick Fazer vote with their feet the club won't give a fuck.

Completely agree.

And that's why I've got nothing but respect for FC United of Manchester and their fans.

Everybody seems to have lost sight of why we all started going to games in the first place, nowadays.

BWFC isn't a "brand", it's a fucking football club.

The worst bit of it all though is the fact that there's nowt we can do about it now because it's too late.

The genie's out of the bottle and the people in charge care more about selling shirts in Singapore than they do about us English fans.

It's all gone "corporate" and "global" and we don't count anymore.....

Fuck me Breadman, we're still a big club in the championship with one of the biggest wage bills in the division , all we need is someone that can play to our strengths, get rid of the deadwood, and add a bit to take us forwards .

The problem is Freedman is not playing to our strengths , that's why we've only won two games at home all season' i think'.

A good manager could do a lot with this club :

...yeah and then what, Scotty?

If we get promoted (ha ha fucking ha!), we'd become one of the smallest clubs in the Prem with an unsustainable wage bill, playing "survival-football" with ten men behind the ball, hoping to eke out 38 goal-less draws, so we wouldn't get relegated and lose all that lovely Sky money.

No cup runs, no ambition, no attempt to play decent football, just dire, boring shite.

It's all bollocks.

Well the poll looks pretty much 50/50.

Time to sack him IMO, he's had plenty of time.

Getting rid of the deadwood has been a large part of the problem and must have impacted on the clubs ability to bring in players we need to rebuild. I understand the comments about our predictable style and lack of tempo, particularly in home games it is frustrating but there is no guarantee that changing now would be any improvement until a few players can be moved on in the summer. 

I think it was on Sky Sports recently that showed how little difference changing manager mid season usually made, the impact was between 3 and 4 points [not always in the positive either] compared to the previous results based on points per game. The gamble is not worth it right now, if the board no longer believe that Dougie is the man then sack him in the summer and spend between now and then deciding who can do the job.

aaron_bwfc wrote:Sack him, when is their ever a right or wrong time to sack someone?

The football I have watched this season has been some of the poorest ever served up at the reebok and to be honest I am sick of it. His slow build up play is fucking boring - no wonder the crowds are dropping like buggery.

I know it's the old question on who do we bring in to replace him but in all honesty I don't care, Dougie is a younger version of Megson but without the ginger hair.

    Spot on,the football is utter shite,his team selections and tactics beggar belief and as for his post match comments !!! even Coyle wasnt as bad ( maybe a bit of an exaggeration but you get my drift ) He can fuck off as soon as he likes.

I voted to back him at least until the end of the season.

Main reason: I honestly see no prospect of us attracting a better manager. Seriously those who advocate sacking him should at least try to suggest a possible believable replacement.

And as for "entertainment" - how many matches in the past were really entertaining? It looks too much like nostalgia rather than truth to me. I can remember all too many boring matches and I don't remember being exactly entertained when we got beat even if we had played well. For example many years ago I watched us play at Millwall. We were top of the old Division 2 and they were bottom at the time. We totally dominated the game and yet lost 1-0. They only mounted one attack in 90 minutes and they scored. Was I happy? No. Was I entertained? No.

The squad is better equipped for a promotion push now than when he came in. The team, under his management, is not.

Teams are still getting through the defence like a knife through butter, despite the cautious and mind-numbingly dull approach. 

My biggest worry with Dougie though is player morale. Ngog's been criticised for his finishing (justifiably) and his confidence has suffered. He scored his first goal of the season at Bournemouth and hasn't started a game since. There aren't many managers that would make some of the calls he makes, for the reason that it doesn't create the mentality you want in a dressing room.

Reebok Trotter wrote:Well the poll looks pretty much 50/50.

It would have been 10/90 before we beat Barnsley 0-1.

xmiles wrote:I voted to back him at least until the end of the season.

Main reason: I honestly see no prospect of us attracting a better manager. Seriously those who advocate sacking him should at least try to suggest a possible believable replacement.

And as for "entertainment" - how many matches in the past were really entertaining? It looks too much like nostalgia rather than truth to me. I can remember all too many boring matches and I don't remember being exactly entertained when we got beat even if we had played well. For example many years ago I watched us play at Millwall. We were top of the old Division 2 and they were bottom at the time. We totally dominated the game and yet lost 1-0. They only mounted one attack in 90 minutes and they scored. Was I happy? No. Was I entertained? No.

What a load off bollocks, only Gartside could find a worse manager than this tosser!!!!!

The problem is Garty will be choosing.

Gartside, would pick another done nothing manager, we need a strong character that knows what he's doing.

I'll back him until the end of the season, but if we don't improve big time during the remainder of the season, I would get shut at the end. We won't be going down this season, so I will remain patient for now.

NickFazer wrote:The problem is Garty will be choosing.

Exactly!

So bryan458 who do you think we would get as a replacement? And don't forget it will be Gartside doing the choosing!   

A back him vote from me.

He still is dealing with an unbalanced side and useless players on long contracts and big wages that Owen left us with - Mears, Andrews, Sordell, Knight, Ngog, Mills, Pratley - which limits what he can do with the players he has at his disposal and the money he has to bring in new ones - and I think he's done ok with nost of the players he's managed to bring in (mostly loans) so far.

It would be stupid to bring in a new manager now anyway - just as the transfer window opens - as unless they were promoted from within the club, the new manager would have no inside knowledge of where we needed strengthening the most with the crumbs of a transfer kitty they will probably get.

I'd give him at least until this time next year by which time some of the big wages would have gone and a few new faces should have been brought in - and finally we should be able to see more clearly what Freedman is about, free of most of the shite Coyle as burried us under.

I think Freedman is our best manager since Allardyce - but to be honest that isn't really such a hard thing to achieve is it really?!

A few good points there Sluffy, as you say he is obviously trying to shift the shit out that OC left us with and with the wages they are on it's a tricky situation.

To be fair he seems to have an eye for a player at this level with some of the loanees he has brought in so far, so maybe given time once the likes of Ngog and Wheats have been moved on he could make a move for slightly better players in the market.

Time will tell I suppose.

We will finish top two next season. With Freedman. Watch this space.