a league for the B teams, who wouldn't be eligible for promotion beyond league 1? Good idea or pointless.
FA float League 3 Idea
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aaron_bwfc
Reebok Trotter
Natasha Whittam
wanderlust
Hipster_Nebula
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2 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Thu May 08 2014, 15:16
Guest
Guest
A league for teams starting with B who could never get passed League 1?
Sounds like Bury.........
Sounds like Bury.........
3 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Thu May 08 2014, 15:51
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
The idea has been knocked around for a while and Greg Dyke is running with it under the justification that English players who are sitting on the benches for bigger clubs will get more game time and that will benefit the national team.
Personally, I think our "B" team would do OK.
The proposed league would sit between the Conference and League 2.
On the up side, this move would knock Chorley back down another division in one stroke.
My concern is what happens when "B" teams get promoted though. With the rich getting richer, eventually we'll end up with a Premiership of Chelsea, Chelsea Reserves, City, City reserves etc - plenty of wriggle room for even more shenanigans and still no solution to the problem.
Personally, I think our "B" team would do OK.
The proposed league would sit between the Conference and League 2.
On the up side, this move would knock Chorley back down another division in one stroke.
My concern is what happens when "B" teams get promoted though. With the rich getting richer, eventually we'll end up with a Premiership of Chelsea, Chelsea Reserves, City, City reserves etc - plenty of wriggle room for even more shenanigans and still no solution to the problem.
4 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Thu May 08 2014, 15:54
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Absolutely awful idea. How is having Chelsea Reserves, City Reserves, United Reserves, Liverpool Reserves etc taking the top positions in League 1 good for football?
5 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Thu May 08 2014, 16:43
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Greg Dyke thinks it will be good for the English national team, but skirted around the issue as to whether it would be good for football in general although he tried to imply it would be.Natasha Whittam wrote:Absolutely awful idea. How is having Chelsea Reserves, City Reserves, United Reserves, Liverpool Reserves etc taking the top positions in League 1 good for football?
Frankly I think the benefit for the national team would be negligible.
And it presumes that the talent pool for the England team lies in the reserves who can't get into their club sides - says a lot about the England team.
However it's not all bad news if you don't like Chorley. Or Stockport County.
6 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Thu May 08 2014, 17:01
Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
It's a crock of shit and it stinketh.
7 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Thu May 08 2014, 18:32
aaron_bwfc
Moderator
This idea is up there with paying near £10 million for Elmander.
I imagine Gartside has voted yes for this idea.
I imagine Gartside has voted yes for this idea.
8 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Thu May 08 2014, 18:37
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
The rich looking after the rich, similar to the government and bankers
9 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Fri May 09 2014, 10:34
Bolton Nuts
Admin
When Shrewsbury play against Man City B team, who are the supporters of Man Ciyy B going to be, like where will they come from?
10 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Fri May 09 2014, 11:28
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
It's a shame that the B league would effectively relegate sides below the conference otherwise we could enjoy away days like this last pre-season friendly:
Goals from Gary Fraser and Tom Youngs seal a 2-1 win for the Whites at Chorley.
The young pairing both showed their prowess from outside their area with two powerful strikes against the Magpies to seal Bolton's second win on the road inside 48 hours.
On a glorious Friday evening in Lancashire, Chorley began the game with a leap in their stride and looked for an early goal when full back Adam Mather wrong footed Hayden White on the left hand side, but the Magpies number three dragged his shot wide of the far post.
Five minutes later, Wanderers created their first threat and showed their ruthlessness in front of goal with a stunning strike from Scottish teenager Fraser.
Collecting possession from 30-yards out, the former Celtic man unleashed an unstoppable strike which nestled in the top left hand corner, leaving goalkeeper Sam Ashton a spectator.
Bolton’s qualities were beginning to show, as they began to take a firm grip of their second pre-season friendly, with Samni Odelusi coming close with a second, only to be denied from close range by a late block.
The same man was again heavily involved in Bolton’s next attack, linking up well with Morgan Ferrier, winger Odelusi crashed a left footed effort over the crossbar.
Into the second half, and Bolton quickly raced out of the traps after finishing the opening 45 confidently.
Former Leicester City centre half Cian Bolger, wearing the captain’s armband, was left in acres of space at the back post following a corner but Sam Ashton reacted well to prevent his team falling behind with a low save.
As the half grew older, the non-league outfit began to move to ball around fluently and at a high tempo.
Their efforts were rewarded with an equaliser in the 54th minute, after Wanderers failed to deal with a corner, resulting in a simple tap in for centre half O’Brien.
The Magpies’ confidence continued to grow, and goalkeeper Jay Lynch was put to the test on a number of occasions for the remainder of the second half, but was equal to all efforts with a string of fine saves.
With 20 minutes remaining, Chorley found a way past Lynch, only to be denied by the left hand post when midfield maestro Tom Baker curled an ambitious 25-yard free-kick over the four man Bolton wall.
The Magpies were looking favourites to score the all-important third goal but against the run of play, Jamie Fullerton’s side hit the winner as substitute Youngs replicated Fraser’s opener with a corker of a strike from outside the penalty area to ensure Wanderers lifted the Harold Taylor Memorial Trophy.
Chorley: Ashton, Walmsley, Mather, Teague ©, O’Brien, Vermiglio, Roca, Baker, Cotterell, Hine, Jarvis. Subs: Stephenson, Whitam, O’Neil, Porya, Ince, Wildes, Cairns, Mason, Lunch, Davies, Procter.
Wanderers: Lynch, White, Kellett, Holding, Bolger, Gregus, Lester, Fraser, Ferrier, Wilkinson, Odelusi. Subs: Kelly, Bukran, Newby, Gibson, Youngs.
Goals from Gary Fraser and Tom Youngs seal a 2-1 win for the Whites at Chorley.
The young pairing both showed their prowess from outside their area with two powerful strikes against the Magpies to seal Bolton's second win on the road inside 48 hours.
On a glorious Friday evening in Lancashire, Chorley began the game with a leap in their stride and looked for an early goal when full back Adam Mather wrong footed Hayden White on the left hand side, but the Magpies number three dragged his shot wide of the far post.
Five minutes later, Wanderers created their first threat and showed their ruthlessness in front of goal with a stunning strike from Scottish teenager Fraser.
Collecting possession from 30-yards out, the former Celtic man unleashed an unstoppable strike which nestled in the top left hand corner, leaving goalkeeper Sam Ashton a spectator.
Bolton’s qualities were beginning to show, as they began to take a firm grip of their second pre-season friendly, with Samni Odelusi coming close with a second, only to be denied from close range by a late block.
The same man was again heavily involved in Bolton’s next attack, linking up well with Morgan Ferrier, winger Odelusi crashed a left footed effort over the crossbar.
Into the second half, and Bolton quickly raced out of the traps after finishing the opening 45 confidently.
Former Leicester City centre half Cian Bolger, wearing the captain’s armband, was left in acres of space at the back post following a corner but Sam Ashton reacted well to prevent his team falling behind with a low save.
As the half grew older, the non-league outfit began to move to ball around fluently and at a high tempo.
Their efforts were rewarded with an equaliser in the 54th minute, after Wanderers failed to deal with a corner, resulting in a simple tap in for centre half O’Brien.
The Magpies’ confidence continued to grow, and goalkeeper Jay Lynch was put to the test on a number of occasions for the remainder of the second half, but was equal to all efforts with a string of fine saves.
With 20 minutes remaining, Chorley found a way past Lynch, only to be denied by the left hand post when midfield maestro Tom Baker curled an ambitious 25-yard free-kick over the four man Bolton wall.
The Magpies were looking favourites to score the all-important third goal but against the run of play, Jamie Fullerton’s side hit the winner as substitute Youngs replicated Fraser’s opener with a corker of a strike from outside the penalty area to ensure Wanderers lifted the Harold Taylor Memorial Trophy.
Chorley: Ashton, Walmsley, Mather, Teague ©, O’Brien, Vermiglio, Roca, Baker, Cotterell, Hine, Jarvis. Subs: Stephenson, Whitam, O’Neil, Porya, Ince, Wildes, Cairns, Mason, Lunch, Davies, Procter.
Wanderers: Lynch, White, Kellett, Holding, Bolger, Gregus, Lester, Fraser, Ferrier, Wilkinson, Odelusi. Subs: Kelly, Bukran, Newby, Gibson, Youngs.
11 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Fri May 09 2014, 13:18
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
this will never happen, the football league and Conference will never agree to it. Also what is the benefit of playing young premiership players at a conference level? Hardly going to prepare them for playing at the highest level is it?
12 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Fri May 09 2014, 13:27
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Do C-C-Chorley really have a player called "Lunch"?
13 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Sat May 10 2014, 10:34
Bolton Nuts
Admin
Sometimes the commentator says "lunch goes into the box" or "lunch breaks"
14 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Sat May 10 2014, 12:58
NickFazer
El Hadji Diouf
This could be resolved by leaving the league pyramid in place but introducing a draft system like in the US. Premier league and maybe some championship clubs would effectively make their players available for the pool, lower division clubs would then be able to pick from this to suit. In the states the lowest placed teams get first choice in order to level the playing field but I'm sure a modified system could work here. Lower league teams would get players on subsisted wages and top clubs would have their younger / reserve players getting competive games and the structure could remain.
15 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Sat May 10 2014, 13:49
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Wouldn't work.
Who would own the player?
top teams are not going to allow their players to be owned by lower league teams, and lower league teams would not benefit in any way from what is practically a loan.
and how would you work out who is the "worst team" the bottom of league 2 gets relegated, so the "best" academy player in the country would be playing in the conference. Not going to happen in a million years.
You need a national academy (no club academies) or a properly funded and televised university system, and a salary cap before you think about a draft.
Who would own the player?
top teams are not going to allow their players to be owned by lower league teams, and lower league teams would not benefit in any way from what is practically a loan.
and how would you work out who is the "worst team" the bottom of league 2 gets relegated, so the "best" academy player in the country would be playing in the conference. Not going to happen in a million years.
You need a national academy (no club academies) or a properly funded and televised university system, and a salary cap before you think about a draft.
16 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Sat May 10 2014, 15:43
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Or you could just tell Premier League teams that the can only use 2 or 3 foreign players in any game.
17 Re: FA float League 3 Idea Sun May 11 2014, 12:08
NickFazer
El Hadji Diouf
Or there could be a limit on how many players clubs can register, at the moment the top clubs Hoover up players and are unable to play them. These players would be better off playing in the lower leagues, the current system prevents many from reaching their potential and deprives lower league teams of the opportunity to sell them on and reinvest the money.
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