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Championship: Better With Or Without Coyle?

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Sluffy

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Reebok Trotter wrote:Back on topic, and if we do survive, I reckon Coyle will have till December 2013 to get his act together. If it's a repeat of this season with performances on the pitch then I reckon he will be given the boot. One thing history teaches us is that we shouldn't jump the gun too quickly. Just look at what Ferguson achieved at Old Trafford after initial mediocrity. Wolves must regret giving the Vicar the push. Connor has been unable to galvanise them. Sometimes it's better the devil you know.

We could be struggling in the third division by then - don't you mean December 2012?

I also think is future is linked into how much it costs to fire him.

I'm convinced from the 'leak' from Eddie Davies via Stuart Hall that he would already have gone months back if we could have afforded to pull the trigger at the time.

I'm mystified as to when his contract with us ends - it was initially reported that his contract is up this summer and no one as told us differently since then - normally the club would trumpet a contact extension for the manager.

So will he be walking in the summer or have we committed ourselves into a 10 year contract or something as daft?

As for Connor 'two's' don't often make good bosses - Sammy Lee, Phil Brown, Terry Connor, etc.

In fact when was the last number two (pardon the expression - no Megson jokes now!) who made a good manager since Bob Paisley - anyone?

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Oops. I meant December 2012! Forgive an old fart for a moment of flatulence. Embarassed

largehat

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Sluffy wrote:
In fact when was the last number two (pardon the expression - no Megson jokes now!) who made a good manager since Bob Paisley - anyone?

Jose Mourinho.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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At what club?

He didn't step up to succeed Bobby Robson anywhere as Connor succeeded McCarthy at Wolves, or Brown succeeded Todd, or Lee succeeded Allardyce, etc.

largehat

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Sluffy wrote:At what club?

He didn't step up to succeed Bobby Robson anywhere as Connor succeeded McCarthy at Wolves, or Brown succeeded Todd, or Lee succeeded Allardyce, etc.

Benfica.

trotter1948

trotter1948
Nicky Hunt
Nicky Hunt

Apologies for the first AVATAR
It was a rush job and mainly a result of not being very good with Photoshop.
Decided to go for my lifelong hero
Met him and chatted to him, a real gent and my wife thought he was quite attractive too. mmmm

As for OC
Opinions will always be divided on managers of clubs in postions like we are.
All I will say , hes a fair crack of the whip and cant think of another PM club where he would still be ther.

Think back, it took a long time before Megson got the bullet and he had a good contract with gardening leave in the wings.
OC, if hes out of contract theres no real commercial reason to keep him.

Its going to be a long summer !



trotter1948

trotter1948
Nicky Hunt
Nicky Hunt

My comment calling OC a complete wanker at this level I stand by.
He is totally tactically inept, as most frequent posters have concurred with for months now, so to say my comment is a complete joke is in itself a complete joke.

Lets leave it at that.


largehat

largehat
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Yeah no problem, most frequent posters on a forum with 100 total members think Coyle is a joke, so they must be right.

Don't let me spelling out, season by season, why his record at this level isn't all that bad get in the way of you and the forum majority. You must all be right, this is the internet after all.

trotter1948

trotter1948
Nicky Hunt
Nicky Hunt

Go to the MAD site and the majority there with a much larger membership would agree he is tactically inept
Cant all be wrong
If he just showed a bit more flair in his decision making Im sure more folk would vote for him,,
His dress sense doesnt help neither
I think, and I stand to be corrected , he is the only PM manager who turns out in shorts.
Dodgy


have to say tho MAD isnt my cup of tea

Sluffy

Sluffy
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largehat wrote:
Sluffy wrote:At what club?

He didn't step up to succeed Bobby Robson anywhere as Connor succeeded McCarthy at Wolves, or Brown succeeded Todd, or Lee succeeded Allardyce, etc.

Benfica.

Not many seem to do it - I guess it must take someone special!

largehat

largehat
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

All visiting fan forums tells me is that a lot of fans are pissed off with Owen Coyle at the moment. The vast majority of fans aren't on fan forums, and many of the prolific posters on forums use them to have a whinge. You could argue that there's a majority who don't think much of Coyle's tactics among fans in general and you might be right, but that isn't what I took exception to and described as a complete joke.

It's a complete joke to say "Coyle will always be a wanker at this level". His record at PL level isn't amazing, but it isn't terrible either. He is also a young manager who, given time, could well improve. So unless you're prepared to own up to owning a crystal ball, well, I'm entitled to criticise that comment because nobody knows how Coyle's career may develop over the next 20 years.

People are pissed off with Coyle, they are pissed off with some of the awful performances we have had this season, I get that. I'm pissed off with some of them too. Where I differ from most on here and on other forums I use is the degree to which I find Coyle responsible for the problems at the club this season and the level of patience I have with him. For me, after saving us from relegation in his first half season (having spent nothing), and then giving us a pretty decent season last season, he has a lot 'in the bank' so to speak.

Most people look for scapegoats in football. We had a completely different back four against Fulham than we did at the start of the season, at one point or another all three of Knight, Robinson and Steinsson were the scapegoat, then Wheater, but he's scored a couple of goals so he must be a world beater and actually it's Alonso who is the arch-criminal after all. Oh wait, Alonso got dropped against Newcastle, nobody praises Coyle for this, they then scapegoat Ream instead.

So forgive me if I hold the views of my fellow fans in pretty shabby regard at times. They look to point fingers and they are remarkably fickle.

It's an absolutely perfect example you provide in talking about Coyle's matchday dress. Nobody mentioned it last season. Nobody mentioned it the season before. As we're having a bad season it is an issue (not just for you - I've heard all sorts of twining about it). The day someone gives me a sensible reason why he shouldn't wear training gear will be the same day hell freezes over. It's all just a conduit for anger. You pay your money and you're entitled to be angry, it's just that some of the criticism doesn't actually stand up to credible scrutiny.

largehat

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Sluffy wrote:
largehat wrote:
Sluffy wrote:At what club?

He didn't step up to succeed Bobby Robson anywhere as Connor succeeded McCarthy at Wolves, or Brown succeeded Todd, or Lee succeeded Allardyce, etc.

Benfica.

Not many seem to do it - I guess it must take someone special!


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wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

If we go down - and remember it's still in our own hands - it would be a nonsense to get rid of Coyle.
He has clearly been tasked with replacing the older players with younger players with "promise" in order to keep the wage bill under control.
The players he's brought in - and there could be more in the summer - have the potential to be a great side. Providing we don't lose Holden and Lee, our team next season could be the youngest in all 4 divisions yet able to compete and potentially become great.
As Coyle has been planning for this since the beginning of this season - and kind of hoping we'll survive the transition - it would be stupid to get rid before the team of the future gets an opportunity to show what it can do.
Bring in someone like Fat Sam and the "team-in-the-making" would be broken up as part of the inevitable knee-jerk reaction.
We have two choices IMO. We get a new manager who will go straight for average quality experienced professionals - and let's face it, that's all we could afford - or we stick with the plan and get to watch the growth and development of Bogdan, Sordell, Riley, Alonso, Wilde, Lee, Vela and whatever other young talent comes to the club after the summer clearout - all captained by Stuart Holden in the centre of operations.
I know which I'd prefer to watch, regardless of which division we are in.

Lofty_Love

Lofty_Love
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Relegated? Nat what are you talking about, you are literately the most pessimistic fan ive ever come across. Don't know if you missed it but we just won 3 of our last five games, our best form all season, admittedly we were terrible against Fulham but we were good against Newcastle and should have had a draw.

You do talk some utter crap.

Coyle in.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Lofty_Love wrote:Relegated? Nat what are you talking about, you are literately the most pessimistic fan ive ever come across. Don't know if you missed it but we just won 3 of our last five games, our best form all season, admittedly we were terrible against Fulham but we were good against Newcastle and should have had a draw.

You do talk some utter crap.

Coyle in.

I've missed your posts Lofty, it's good to see you out on day release from the mental asylum again.

We are utter shite. Our only victories have come against teams below or around us in the league. We may well beat Swansea at home, and maybe WBA as well but to finish above QPR and Wigan we'll have to win at least three games. It aint going to happen.

Keegan

Keegan
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I remain optimistic that we will avoid the drop and start looking more like a team that can win games while playing decent footy, next season. The big-kick, rough-and-tumble type of players are not OC's cup of tea and we will see less and less of them under his care.

Coyle in - there, I said it.

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Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Keegan wrote: The big-kick, rough-and-tumble type of players are not OC's cup of tea and we will see less and less of them under his care.


And yet he keeps going back to Kevin Davies.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

He only has KD to go back to because he dropped him in the first place. KD was a fixture before that. Just using the tools in the box to get us through the transition.

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wanderlust wrote:If we go down - and remember it's still in our own hands - it would be a nonsense to get rid of Coyle.
He has clearly been tasked with replacing the older players with younger players with "promise" in order to keep the wage bill under control.
The players he's brought in - and there could be more in the summer - have the potential to be a great side. Providing we don't lose Holden and Lee, our team next season could be the youngest in all 4 divisions yet able to compete and potentially become great.
As Coyle has been planning for this since the beginning of this season - and kind of hoping we'll survive the transition - it would be stupid to get rid before the team of the future gets an opportunity to show what it can do.
Bring in someone like Fat Sam and the "team-in-the-making" would be broken up as part of the inevitable knee-jerk reaction.
We have two choices IMO. We get a new manager who will go straight for average quality experienced professionals - and let's face it, that's all we could afford - or we stick with the plan and get to watch the growth and development of Bogdan, Sordell, Riley, Alonso, Wilde, Lee, Vela and whatever other young talent comes to the club after the summer clearout - all captained by Stuart Holden in the centre of operations.
I know which I'd prefer to watch, regardless of which division we are in.

Post of the year! Agree with everything said.

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

largehat wrote:Spent half a season in the PL with shitty Burnley (whose star players were the much maligned Eagles and Mears)

Hardly our star players.

Eagles was more often than not a sub and the only reason Mears played every game was that we didn't have another right back.

Steven Fletcher was probably our only star player and just the sort of forward that you are missing.

He could well have been a Bolton player if you'd had £7 million to spend two seasons ago.

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