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1Where is the love? Empty Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 22:24

Biggie

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If we really are in a relegation battle then where is the passion in the crowd? We get back to 1-1 today at the Reebok and clap and cheer as usual. Then we go quiet again. Then we have a ten minute spell of "we are the one and only..." in the second half - but that's about all.

When I got in from the game I caught the end of the QPR/Spurs game - QPR won, as you know. But what got me was the way the fans celebrated the win like they won the cup.

If we won would would have clapped a bit but not celebrated our potential survival. It's like we are either resigned to going down or nobody really believes we are in the bottom three.

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2Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 22:34

gloswhite

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Jay Jay Okocha
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I think its very hard to maintain an air of optimism, when right from the first game of the season, we have been used to defeats, serious injuries, and a manager who thinks everything can be fixed by being 'positive'. Maybe they've just had enough ?

3Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 22:42

Reebok Trotter

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Isn't the terrible disappointment all part of being a Wanderers fan ? I have followed Wanderers over 30 years and I still can't make my mind up as to whether there have been more highs than lows.

4Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 22:56

xmiles

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Youri Djorkaeff
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The lows seem to stay with you longer than the highs. When we lose I sometimes think of an old Ripping Yarns episode called Golden Gordon where the poor fan comes home after an 8-1 defeat ("Eight One - Eight bloody One! - And even that were an own goal!") and destroys all the furniture. You would have to be a millionaire to do that this season.

Coyle out - even though I know we are stuck with the useless bastard until god knows when.

5Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 23:18

aaron_bwfc

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I don't think it's the face we have no love it's just we have been seeing piss poor performances for a good part of 5 years now.

It's like a fire drill at work, it's just run of the mill crap now a days, everyone knows the drill.

A season or two in the championship fighting for the play offs wouldn't do us any harm to be honest.

6Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 23:26

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I don't think it's the face we have no love it's just we have been seeing piss poor performances for a good part of 5 years now.

It's like a fire drill at work, it's just run of the mill crap now a days, everyone knows the drill.

A season or two in the championship fighting for the play offs wouldn't do us any harm to be honest.

What makes you think this is going to happen?

Just four years ago Portsmouth won the FA Cup - today they got relegated to the third division.

Our debt is bigger than theirs ever was - and soon we will be losing a massive amount of Sky money - even after what we will get as a parachute payment is taken into consideration.



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7Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 23:28

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
And what makes you think we will be

a) fighting for anything, and

b) in contention for the play offs?

8Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 23:32

aaron_bwfc

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I don't think it's the face we have no love it's just we have been seeing piss poor performances for a good part of 5 years now.

It's like a fire drill at work, it's just run of the mill crap now a days, everyone knows the drill.

A season or two in the championship fighting for the play offs wouldn't do us any harm to be honest.

What makes you think this is going to happen?



Don't spoil my night even more Sluff, it's the only positive thing about bwfc I have to cling onto right now. Sad

9Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 23:38

Sluffy

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Sorry mate, it isn't easy for me either and I've seen us relegated many times before.

The big difference though is that this time it could have been easy to avoid it if we hadn't got Coyle cocking everything up from signings and selections, to tactics and training - in fact just about everything!

It's almost as though the club wanted Coyle to take us down!

10Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 23:44

aaron_bwfc

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Aye, never seen us relegated, well I have but just not as a season ticket holder.

Even our first season up in the prem in 1998/99, did we go down with such a whimper with a cluless manager?

11Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sat Apr 21 2012, 23:54

Guest


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Q.When we got promoted in 2001, which club came down from the Premier league? A. Bradford City. They are now 18th in league two. I'm sure when they got relegated they envisaged they would have a season or two in the championship fighting for the play offs.

12Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 00:21

largehat

largehat
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Do you not think we are a slightly bigger club than Bradford City?

13Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 00:30

Guest


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@largehat wrote:Do you not think we are a slightly bigger club than Bradford City?

At this moment in time obviously we are a bigger club than Bradford, things change and if we get into a downward spiral then who knows what the future holds....................................we've not even been relegated from the premier league yet and I've got us relegated to the Blue Square Premiership. Think it's time to stop drinking.

14Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 00:31

Sluffy

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We were not such a big club when the likes of Scarborough were beating us in the fourth division and that wasn't many years ago.

Leeds United and Manchester City have been in the third division that much recently.

Are Swansea a bigger club than us - and they spanked our bottoms at our place today?

10 players out of contract and little / no money to replace them - think we might be looking out for frees and loans next season - will that make us a big club?

We are on the wane - Coyle's not helped at all. £7 million of strikers sat on the bench for a most win game with Kevin Davies and Eagles given the responsibility to save us - is that a mark of a big club?

15Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 00:50

largehat

largehat
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
We are a bigger club than Bradford City by any measure you care to name. They had only been in the PL for two seasons - the first involving a miracle escape on the last day - when they went down. I'm not saying it is beyond the realms of fantasy for us to end up in league two, just bloody pessimistic.

16Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 00:57

Copper Dragon

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Ivan Campo
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Big Club Bollocks it's all bollocks.

In my lifetime Chelsea have never been a big club (whatever that means). Maybe an arms dealer/mafia boss from Russia makes them a big club.

If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit join our club.

17Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 01:06

largehat

largehat
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Do you want me to use a different phrase to express that we are less likely to end up in league two than Bradford City? We have 'more resources'. We have 'a bigger fan base'. We have 'better facilities'. We have 'a richer history'. We have 'a wealthier owner'. We have 'better pedigree at the highest level'. Take your pick.

18Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 01:13

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Do you want me to use a different phrase to express that we are less likely to end up in league two than Bradford City? We have 'more resources'. We have 'a bigger fan base'. We have 'better facilities'. We have 'a richer history'. We have 'a wealthier owner'. We have 'better pedigree at the highest level'. Take your pick.

All of that was true prior to 1987 also.

It didn't stop us playing in 'league two' and Bradford playing in a higher division.

19Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 02:12

largehat

largehat
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
You're right Sluffy, which is why I am not ruling league two out, I'm simply saying the comparison with Bradford is not the most realistic. If someone said Charlton or Norwich I probably wouldn't have even commented on it. League Two is the doomsday scenario, we have spent one season there since 1874 so can we put things in perspective please.

20Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 08:54

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Talk of League Two is of course ridiculous but my biggest concern is that I see no way that we are going to get back in the Prem if/when we get relegated. Coyle may have got Burnley promoted but having endured the last year of Coyle cock ups on every front I simply do not believe he will get us anywhere except mid-table mediocrity next year in the Championship.

Even Megson kept us up. Embarassed

21Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 08:54

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:If we really are in a relegation battle then where is the passion in the crowd? We get back to 1-1 today at the Reebok and clap and cheer as usual. Then we go quiet again. Then we have a ten minute spell of "we are the one and only..." in the second half - but that's about all.

When I got in from the game I caught the end of the QPR/Spurs game - QPR won, as you know. But what got me was the way the fans celebrated the win like they won the cup.

If we won would would have clapped a bit but not celebrated our potential survival. It's like we are either resigned to going down or nobody really believes we are in the bottom three.

Good post. I put it down to the players on the pitch - the fact they don't give a toss transfers itself to the stands. Too many of these players don't give a damn about BWFC, there are no leaders, there is no passion. It'll be no different in the Championship unless Coyle is removed.

22Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 12:26

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I suggested on another forum if we went down we'd be looking at the lower end of the championship and was lambasted as a WUM.

For very similar reasons that sluffy stated, i suspect we'll struggle.

that said, the championship is an odd league, teams come from nowhere, teams you expect to struggle sometimes walk it.

23Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 12:28

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
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Can we save this until after the Villa game?

24Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 12:30

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Can we save this until after the Villa game?

You're right, you NEVER, EVER know.

We might pick up a bit of form and end up safe.

25Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 12:39

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

You're right, you NEVER, EVER know.

We might pick up a bit of form and end up safe.

It really is time to clamp down on the WUMs.

26Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 13:14

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Lose at Villa and I'll have any open-minded optimism that remains surgically removed. But please give me a couple of days to prepare.

27Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 13:31

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Our current situation is almost irrelevant when looking forward. Our future, in whatever division, is empty, made worse by the two tits in charge.

28Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 14:38

Biggie

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:If we really are in a relegation battle then where is the passion in the crowd? We get back to 1-1 today at the Reebok and clap and cheer as usual. Then we go quiet again. Then we have a ten minute spell of "we are the one and only..." in the second half - but that's about all.

When I got in from the game I caught the end of the QPR/Spurs game - QPR won, as you know. But what got me was the way the fans celebrated the win like they won the cup.

If we won would would have clapped a bit but not celebrated our potential survival. It's like we are either resigned to going down or nobody really believes we are in the bottom three.

Good post. I put it down to the players on the pitch - the fact they don't give a toss transfers itself to the stands. Too many of these players don't give a damn about BWFC...

Yeah, you can see the drive and passion of players like Al Habsi at Wigan - even when he was on loan there last season. I can't think of a single Bolton player who shows that kind of enthusiasm. Steinsson comes closest.

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29Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 14:50

Lofty_Love

Lofty_Love
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Got to disagree, I think a lot of our players are trying hard now.

Ricketts, Wheater, Steinsson and Ream all try hard.

Petrov effort has improved massively since he first joined. Reo-coker and prats do, Eagles was trying harder against Swansea.

N'gog works hard.

I don't think we should confuse effort for ability.



We are still VERY much in this relegation battle. Two games in hand.

Qpr still have to play Chealsea and City

Blackburn have Tottenham and Chelsea

And there's the Wigan Blackburn game

30Where is the love? Empty Re: Where is the love? on Sun Apr 22 2012, 15:00

largehat

largehat
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I think most our players try hard, they're just not very good.

Every time a team goes down the fans say it is because they don't have enough heart of passion. It's a cliche.

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