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At what point does being brave turn into being stupid?

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Just reading about the bloke on the IS video.

He's a photographer.

Seems he's already been captured once, thought he was going to be beheaded and luckily rescued.

So what does he do next - yes go back to do his job (brave) and thus gets captured again (stupid).

Taken from Wiki -

John Cantlie is a British war photographer and correspondent who was kidnapped by British Islamic extremists while crossing into Syria on July 19, 2012, near Bab al Hawa. Along with Dutch photographer Jeroen Oerlemans, Cantlie was shot while trying to escape their captors. In an interview with The Sun newspaper on 26 August 2012 Cantlie said it was "every Englishman's duty to try and escape if captured." Both photographers claimed they were about to be handed over to a jihad unit affiliated with al-Qaeda for ransom when they were rescued by the Free Syrian Army. Cantlie's kidnap is the first recorded case of a British journalist being held, shot and then rescued from fellow Britons during the revolutions of the Arab Spring.

The pair were held by the jihad group al-Dawla al-Islamiyya (The Islamic State) whose leader, Abo Mohamad Al-Shami, encouraged British Muslims to join the group to fight a Holy War against the government of Bashar al-Assad. It is alleged the group used the cover of online aid agencies to smuggle European fighters across the Turkish border into Syria. In an account in The Sunday Times on 5 August 2012, Cantlie wrote: "I ended up running for my life, barefoot and handcuffed, while British jihadists - young men with south London accents - shot to kill. They were aiming their Kalashnikovs at a British journalist, Londoner against Londoner in a rocky landscape that looked like the Scottish Highlands. Bullets kicking up dirt as I ran. A bullet through my arm, another grazing my ear. And not a Syrian in sight. This wasn't what I had expected."

Oerlemans was shot in the left leg and Cantlie in the left arm during their escape attempt, Cantlie suffering ulnar nerve palsy (loss of feeling and use to the hand) as a result. In an account of the shooting, Oerlemans says some of the British Muslims stood over him holding a rock as though to smash it onto his head and shouted, "die, kaffir, die!" Oerlemans then stated that "the British guys were the most vindictive of them all." They were taken back to the camp where a fighter who claimed to be an NHS doctor stabilized them and treated their wounds. The pair said the doctor gave them information and extra food. Cantlie later wrote in the October 2012 edition of FHM magazine that this was Stockholm Syndrome, where a hostage befriends one or more of their captors.

They were subjected to mock executions, beaten and at one point believed they would be beheaded when their captors started sharpening knives. "I honestly thought that was it," Cantlie wrote in The Sunday Times. Then on 26 July, one week after being kidnapped, they were rescued by four members of the FSA. The rebels came into the camp shooting their weapons and held at least one jihad fighter at gunpoint while Cantlie and Oerlemans were helped into a waiting vehicle. Both photographers had to be assisted as their feet had been seriously injured when they tried to escape and neither could walk. They had lost all their camera equipment, passports and clothes in the incident, and were smuggled back across the border at a crossing used primarily by Syrian refugees. They were initially treated by a medic for the New York Times in Antakya before being debriefed by Turkish and then British intelligence.

One month later Abo Mohamad Al-Shami was killed in unclear circumstances, reportedly by an officer in the Farouq Brigades, a rival jihad group. Reports say he was kidnapped by the unit, held for three days and then executed by repeated stabbing in the stomach. His body was recovered and buried by his brother in the area near to the Syrian town of Samarda. There were unconfirmed reports of British special forces operating in the area at the same time, while the members of al-Dawla al-Islamiyya headed south for Homs or left Syria soon afterwards. On 9 October 2012 an individual suspected of being involved in the kidnap was arrested at Heathrow airport after arriving on a flight from Egypt.

This was Cantlie's second visit to Syria.

If I were him, I most certainly would not have gone back the thitd time.


Just as a follow on from his first capture -

Syria kidnap case against doctor dropped by prosecution

The case against an NHS doctor accused of kidnapping two journalists in Syria has been dropped by prosecutors.

Shajul Islam, from east London, was alleged to have been part of a jihadist group which held the men, including Briton John Cantlie, in July 2012.

Charges against two other men - Shajul Islam's older brother Najul, and Jubayer Chowdhury - were also dropped.

The prosecution told Kingston Crown Court the case rested on the evidence of two witnesses it was unable to call.

'Played no part'

Prosecutor Mark Dennis told the court: "A problem arose for the prosecution which serves to frustrate the trial from the point of view of the prosecution.

"The two victims in the case are the two prosecution witnesses on which the case rested wholly on their evidence. The prosecution are unable to call either victim for the purposes of the trial listed today."

Mr Dennis said the prosecution had considered asking for the case to be adjourned or for the victims' evidence to be read as hearsay, but had concluded neither would be possible.

Judge Nicholas Price said: "I understand, and I formally record verdicts of not guilty for each of the three defendants. So they therefore can be discharged."

Henry Blaxland, representing Shajul Islam, said: "Shajul Islam was in Syria as a newly qualified doctor after responding to calls to assist.

"He played no part in the kidnapping, and is relieved this has come to an end."

Escape attempt

Shajul Islam, 27, trained as a doctor at St Bart's Hospital and the University of London Hospital.

The prosecution had claimed that soon after qualifying, Shajul Islam travelled to Turkey where he met up with Mr Chowdhury.

The two men were said to have crossed into Syria where they were alleged to have joined a group of foreign jihadists fighting the Assad regime.

In July 2012 two journalists who had gone into Syria with a local guide near the town of Bab al-Hawa were taken hostage.

Freelance British photographer Mr Cantlie was travelling with Dutch journalist Jeroen Oerlemans. Along with their guide they were handcuffed and blindfolded by the group.

Mr Cantlie later described being held by about 30 jihadists from around the world. He said as many as 15 appeared to be from the UK.

The men were shot and wounded attempting to escape. Their guide made a break for it and managed to raise the alarm.

Airport arrest

Fighters from the Free Syrian Army freed the two journalists after they had spent a week in captivity during which Mr Cantlie said they were threatened with beheading.

Shajul Islam was arrested flying into Heathrow with his wife and baby in October 2012.

He was charged with false imprisonment and accused of being a jihadist with international connections. He was suspended from practicing medicine.

Jubayer Chowdhury, 25, was charged with false imprisonment.

Najul Islam, 32, a civil servant, was charged with engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorist acts. He was accused of supplying funds and equipment to the two men.

All charges against the men - which they had denied - have been dropped.

Mr Cantlie worked for various newspapers including the Sunday Times


"Then on 26 July, one week after being kidnapped, they were rescued by four members of the FSA."

God bless the Financial Services Authority's elite hostage rescue team.

Mr Magoo

Mr Magoo
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Sounds fecking stupid to me, god  bless the FSA :rofl:


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
About time the 30 country coalition started to fuck these cunts up.

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I couldn't see Terry Waite heading back to Beirut for a gold clock! Once bitten.... etc etc

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