Christian State

I heard on the radio that Slovenia - or maybe Slovakia as I didn't quite catch the first bit - has stated that they are prepared to accept immigrants providing they are Christian or Atheist, but are refusing to allow any Muslims in. Apparently there are no mosques in the country so "they wouldn't like it". Honest - that's what they said.
This got me thinking about the aims of Islamic State i.e. to establish a state on the basis of religion rather than the traditional claims to land ownership.

To establish such a state they would need to take land currently occupied or "owned" by others and would require the backing of a considerable force, probably with the consent of the USA which won't happen in a month of Fridays.
A ridiculous concept you might think, but it's happened before. 

Basically the British and later the Americans took a load of land off Jordan and Syria to create a religion-based state for the Jews they didn't want in Europe. Israel.

So what's the difference between that and the creation of an Islamic State? 
And if an Islamic State was created in the Middle East, would that reduce the pressure of immigration into Europe?

'Kin 'ell fire!

You should google: "Record for Biggest Can of Worms ever opened on the Internet" and then post a link to this thread on that site because I reckon this one's capable of smashing all known records....

Not going near this with Jerzy Dudek (a very large Pole).

Thought you'd like it. 
Can't decide if it's a case of double standards, vested interest, straightforward racism or an inability to come up with radical solutions in the face of a burgeoning immigration issue.
TBF the creation of Israel was a pretty radical solution in Balfour's day so it's not inconceivable that our Government and the Americans haven't considered it.

When Marcus Garvey proposed the African State, redneck yanks were queuing up to finance the repatriation of Afro-Americans so it seems that separatist policies cross political boundaries albeit with varying motivations. Like Tories joining the Labour party to support Corbyn in the leadership election believing him to be unelectable.

Waiting to see if UKIP will start supporting Islamic State

Every sovereign state has the right to protect it's borders from undesirables, some choose to do it radically, while others fight 2 World Wars to protect theirs' and knock their own gates down!!!
It's a funny old game.

wanderlust wrote:
And if an Islamic State was created in the Middle East, would that reduce the pressure of immigration into Europe?

Hardly likely since millions of mostly Muslims have fled IS, not just into Europe but even more so into Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey.

xmiles wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
And if an Islamic State was created in the Middle East, would that reduce the pressure of immigration into Europe?

Hardly likely since millions of mostly Muslims have fled IS, not just into Europe but even more so into Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey.

An yet families from e.g. Bradford have gone to Syria in the hope of living in an Islamic State so I guess the establishment of an Islamic State would force Muslims to choose what they want - a life governed by Sharia or a western existence.
In effect, it would separate those who disapprove of western ideologies from those who are willing to integrate as best they can.

I believe something similar happened when we set up Israel with some Jews preferring to live in the UK and US and others starting afresh in the ME.
In both cases it's likely that the fundamentalists would be amongst those living in the religious state.

the lack of terrorism? 

And human rights atrocities.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:the lack of terrorism? 

And human rights atrocities.

In a new Islamic State? Or are you asking if the creation of such a state would impact on terrorism etc?
Or saying that they should be denied a state for these reasons?

If the latter it should be remembered that Ben Gurion and his "freedom fighters" were considered terrorists at the time Britain was instrumental in creating the state of Israel.

Still find it difficult to look at your avatar as she is the spitting image of my daughter - absolutely identical - and she's sitting across from me in the office as I type. Weird.

a new Islamic state? We're talking about a place not accepting Muslims. This place would be a target for Muslim terrorism (where isn't?) but there certainly wouldn't be any homegrown terrorists or human rights atrocities. Those, in the main are perpetrated by Muslims and Muslim States.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:a new Islamic state? We're talking about a place not accepting Muslims. This place would be a target for Muslim terrorism (where isn't?) but there certainly wouldn't be any homegrown terrorists or human rights atrocities. Those, in the main are perpetrated by Muslims and Muslim States.

Oh I see. You mean Slovakia are making themselves a target by refusing Muslim refugees. That's probably about right. That said, Slovakia has an appalling reputation for their treatment of minorities with the half million or so Romanies and a sizeable Hungarian community getting very poor treatment, so they've already got a fully-developed set of prejudices and a brutal regime.

Finally found an article on the subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33986738

I didn't know until today that there are more Christian than Muslim in the world.

I thought this was going to be a thread about 'True Romance', one of my favourite films.

Natasha Whittam wrote:I thought this was going to be a thread about 'True Romance', one of my favourite films.

Never seen it, is it a new porno?