Rochdale 1-0 Bolton - Match Report Post #39

Bit soon to be talking about sacking the manager. We've been on a downward spiral for so long now it's not going to change over the course of ten games. 

Hopefully Parky knows what he's doing and with the state of the club in the last couple of years, a mid table finish would be a result. Because we won the first four, expectations have gotten out of proportion. 

As long as we don't get relegated I'll be ok with that. I can understand people going loco when they've paid good money for no return but you know what to expect. Either pay your money knowing full well it'll be a load of shite and get on with it or don't bother wasting your money. We are what we are - shit, and the sooner people reconcile their expectations with how good we actually are, the better.

Bwfc1958 wrote:a mid table finish would be a result.

I'm sorry, but that's bollocks.

We may be skint but no more so than 90% of the teams in this league. Are you suggesting we're in our rightful place below Scunthorpe and Bury?

We have players in our team that should be walking this league. Virtually all of the main squad has performed at this level or above.

The simple fact is the new manager has continued the BWFC trend of signing and picking out of form or completely talentless tosspots. He let Wilkinson go and signed Proctor, what was the fucking point? He signed Chris Taylor who hasn't played well for years. Ameobi has started 11 games in 3 years! Trotter hasn't had a good game for BWFC in 3 seasons yet plays every week. I could go on.

Our form has nothing to do with money and everything to do with a shit manager and lazy, talentless players.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Bwfc1958 wrote:a mid table finish would be a result.

I'm sorry, but that's bollocks.

It's not bollocks. Saying stuff like, "we should do this", or, "the players should be able to finish above Bury and scunthorpe", is pointless. 

The players are shit. Whether anyone thinks they are better than what they are showing is neither here nor there. The fact is, they're shit. 

So, we agree they're useless tosspots. Why then would you expect anything better than midtable?

Natasha Whittam wrote:Our form has nothing to do with money and everything to do with a shit manager and lazy, talentless players.

Unfortunately a manager with a lower level league mentality and shit players is what you get when you have no money.
We have got all the players we have got because other clubs saw flaws in either their ability or their mentality or in many cases both and let them go for nothing.
In Beevers and possibly Howard we got a result but others need to start contributing too.
I've always liked James Vaughan as a player who scores goals & Bury picked him up for nothing, we got Proctor so there are exceptions to this but we unfortunately don't seem to be finding them at the moment.
I believe or at least hope that Henry, Anderson and Ameobi can come good but I'm not sure we have a manager with an attacking eneough mentality to make that happen.

In fairness I have got to back Nat up on this and answer that question by saying more than half of this division is even shitter or at least should be even if they managed to hit the dizzy heights of mediocrity.

Bwfc1958 wrote:
It's not bollocks. Saying stuff like, "we should do this", or, "the players should be able to finish above Bury and scunthorpe", is pointless. 

The players are shit. Whether anyone thinks they are better than what they are showing is neither here nor there. The fact is, they're shit. 

So, we agree they're useless tosspots. Why then would you expect anything better than midtable?

Given a choice is a player going to sign for Bolton, Bury or Scunthorpe. Bolton every time. Yet the other clubs have put together decent teams on no budget and we've put together a shit team on a bigger budget.

They are shit, but they are definitely underperforming. It's about time the manager stopped praising them in the media and told them to buck up or fuck off.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Bwfc1958 wrote:
It's not bollocks. Saying stuff like, "we should do this", or, "the players should be able to finish above Bury and scunthorpe", is pointless. 

The players are shit. Whether anyone thinks they are better than what they are showing is neither here nor there. The fact is, they're shit. 

So, we agree they're useless tosspots. Why then would you expect anything better than midtable?

Given a choice is a player going to sign for Bolton, Bury or Scunthorpe. Bolton every time. Yet the other clubs have put together decent teams on no budget and we've put together a shit team on a bigger budget.

They are shit, but they are definitely underperforming. It's about time the manager stopped praising them in the media and told them to buck up or fuck off.

I agree with you on 99% of what you're saying except for the bit about them underperforming. I thought they were underperforming at one time as well but when it goes on for years and years I think it's time to concede that they're not underperforming, they're just shit.

It is difficult to argue with that point

I would swap our team with Bury's every day of the week, they're better than us and will double our goal tally.

Our players are probably the worst we could get, there are players in league 2 that could fit right into our starting eleven.

Trotter is the first name on the team-sheet ffs.

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Given a choice is a player going to sign for Bolton, Bury or Scunthorpe. Bolton every time. Yet the other clubs have put together decent teams on no budget and we've put together a shit team on a bigger budget.

Apart from the fact that we have a better stadium than these other lower league clubs, we have no more claim to sign players than anybody else. This is now our level. 
From some fans behaviour to it's team last night, I would imagine most prospective new signing would avoid signing for Bolton Wanderers.

I agree with Nat, we shouldn't be making excuses for them.They're grown men, who having nothing more to do than kick a frigging ball about. Why can't they at least put in the effort, and how difficult is it to kick a ball from A to B, especially as you train for it all week. 
I agree, it is too early to kick the manager our, but the more he sanctions the play/tactics of the current team, the more his credibility, for me, diminishes. 
Being an optimist, I'm sure we'll have some good times, but I certainly won't accept that they're shit as an excuse for bad play. Its up to them, and the manager, to put in the effort. We should be good enough at this level for our fortunes to change.

Hang on, just thought of a reason why a player would want to sign for us..... Bolton is close to the bustling and amenable towns of Bury and Manchester.

Winning the first four games and being named manager of the month led Parky to the obvious conclusion that his way was the right way. Hardly surprising then that he presumed his tactics were suited to his squad and that he should simply keep to his winning formula.

 A succession of draws should have made him start to reconsider, and certainly now that losses are appearing, the penny should have dropped, especially as the entertainment value is nil.

In retrospect those first four results have done us no favours. How long before he fundamentally changes things, or is he just blind, stubborn or stupid?

If he continues the Bolton tradition, then all the latter 3 will apply.

King Bill wrote:
Apart from the fact that we have a better stadium than these other lower league clubs, we have no more claim to sign players than anybody else. This is now our level. 

Yes, but it's about perception.

Brighton are clearly a better team than Aston Villa, but how many players would choose Brighton over Villa? Not many.

We are a big fish in a small pond, players will always choose us over the likes of Bury, Scunthorpe or Port Vale. It's just a pity our manager wouldn't know a good player if he got smacked in the face by one.

I would like to hear from the posters on here who were all gung-ho when Parky came aboard and then when we signed up half a dozen new players were certain that we would walk this league.  Now after ten games it's parky out and 11 ponces on display again. As Nat says the likes of Bury & Scunthorpe on top of us is laughable.    

The fact is that draws at home, few goals, continued away losses is actually relegation form. I originally predicted mid-table but might change that to bottom 6 depending on the next few games.

What can be done?  tweek the tactics...shuffle one or two players in and out?  Drop Trotter....will that make such a difference?

Best scenario is that we can stay near the top pack and somehow attract some good loanees in the next window plus our injuries calm down.

Looking back, I think Flitcroft would've been a better option, he knows a good player and has done a great job at Bury, he might've declined the job for all we know, PP got sloppy seconds.

Can't say I blame him now.

Just watched the highlights and how Henry has missed that chance first half I'll never know. He should be scoring that whilst blindfolded with two hands tied behind his back. Shocking stuff. In Parkinsons defence, you can't legislate for ineptitude like that.

He was flagged for being offside, though looking at the replay, the decision looked as bad as Hendy's miss.