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1What needs to happen now Empty What needs to happen now Sat Feb 08 2014, 17:56

luckyPeterpiper

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Ivan Campo
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I will make my opinion plain so no one thinks I'm sat on a fence. My apathy doesn't extend so far that I can't be bothered to be annoyed for our club and its awesome fans (small in number but huge in commitment and knowledge of the realities we face).

1. Eddie Davies needs to pot Gartside TODAY. Retire, resign, shunt him somewhere else in Moonshift, whatever it takes PG must NOT be chairman any longer. 

2. A new chairperson (man or woman, don't care as long as he/she is competent) should be appointed with immediate effect. 

3. The chair's first task is simple, to seek out and appoint a new manager, one who CAN motivate players and has a mind capable of adapting to a plan B if his or her favoured "system" hasn't worked. That manager should be surrounded by people who know what they are doing, preferably at least ONE solid assistant manager and a specialist coach for each main area of play (ie GK,DEF, MID, ATT) and the various medical/ physio and other support staff needed to make a modern football team function at its best. A caretaker management team should be put in place for as long as necessary while the search goes on and their sole remit should be to steady the ship, to prevent further decline. I realise JP is a common choice amongst the fans right now and as a caretaker I'd be fine with him and LSL as his assistant but I wouldn't want them to do it permanently. They should be given the rest of this season but ideally we'd start the summer window with the new management team in place ready to work. 

4. In the summer the five out of contract players should either be given new contracts at reduced salaries to fit our ACTUAL status as a championship or (hope not) League One team. If they won't accept that then wish them well and wave goodbye. The salaries thus released should be immediately put at the manager's disposal to recruit new players in the needed positions. 

5. The relationship between the Senior Team and the others such as the reserves and development squad MUST be made much closer. The fact so many of our "promising" prospects aren't getting even a whiff of first team action is alarming to say the least. We either have a bad scouting network or the manager simply isn't fully aware of what level these youngsters are at; either way we need to fix that lack of communication or scouting ability quickly. We'll never be able to buy a Premiership Level player for full price so we have to find them early and develop them ourselves. We may well wind up becoming a "selling" club as these kids become top class and go to "Big" clubs but that's no bad thing imo. If we make a profit on just 1 in five of them it would be self funding at least.


6. We as fans MUST accept the reality and be reasonable in our expectations BUT the club has to remember that they work for US not the other way around. This may actually be the most important point, relations between BWFC and its core customer base need to be better from both sides. The best way to do that would be for the club to come clean with us, to tell us what really CAN be done in our current position and we need to be able to accept that the BSA days are gone forever. That way both sides would know the truth and would be able to work together to help the club grow again.

I appreciate none of this will be easy BUT I truly feel it's essential that something like this should happen. 

2What needs to happen now Empty Re: What needs to happen now Sat Feb 08 2014, 19:27

Norpig

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agree wholeheartedly LPP  :clap:

3What needs to happen now Empty Re: What needs to happen now Sat Feb 08 2014, 20:17

doffcocker

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I agree that Gartside is bad news as far as Bolton Wanderers is concerned, but 99% of Bolton fans were championing the Freedman appointment only six months ago.

He hasn't played much of a part in what has happened since.

4What needs to happen now Empty Re: What needs to happen now Sat Feb 08 2014, 20:55

luckyPeterpiper

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doffcocker wrote:I agree that Gartside is bad news as far as Bolton Wanderers is concerned, but 99% of Bolton fans were championing the Freedman appointment only six months ago.

He hasn't played much of a part in what has happened since.
Doffcocker I have to disagree mate. I have been saying he should have until the end of the season BUT frankly the performances of the players ARE ultimately down to him. Team selection, tactics and whether or not the players are motivated and playing to their best is entirely down to the manager. I am a very patient man but the mantra has been the same week after week. 

"We're disappointed. We played really well in the first half. We were unlucky." The fact is his tactics don't work with the players he has, his system is a clear failure and he refuses to change it. Today he made baffling substitutions, yet AGAIN we conceded within five minutes of the second half starting, yet AGAIN it was a schoolboy error at the back and YET AGAIN Dougie talks about how we "panicked" but "Gave it a real go in the last ten minutes". We hear this drivel so often you could have played a tape of the post match Cardiff interview and only needed to change a few words to fit today. 

I have finally lost patience with DF not because I think he's a bad person but because he stubbornly refuses to see the obvious, he keeps sticking to one formation and style of play that clearly doesn't work and has no plan B. The players don't look as if they believe in themselves or that they even care any more. He simply isn't capable of adapting to the circumstances or the opposition. Seriously, we were playing Bournemouth not Bayern Munich. At home. In a must win game. 

Yet we played a defensive 4-5-1, had only 40% possession all day and spent the majority of the second half clinging on for dear life, so much so that we were actually lucky to get a point after being two nil ahead. The players have looked terrified for weeks and weeks, like rabbits caught in headlights and whether you agree or not the fact is their mindset is ENTIRELY down to the manager. I never hailed his appointment, to be honest I didn't know much about him other than he'd been a striker in his playing days when he came in as manager. I urged patience through our woeful start, I even stuck by giving him till the end of the season after the Reading fiasco but enough is enough. We're nineteenth in the SECOND tier of English football and three of the five teams below us have a game in hand. In just three days we could be two points off the drop zone and they'll STILL have that game in hand because we play on Tuesday night against a Burnley team bubbling with confidence and pushing hard to cement a play off spot. 

I don't advocate a knee jerk "sack the manager" mindset when we lose one game, even when it's the heaviest defeat for a generation BUT the sad truth is he didn't learn a thing from that defeat any more than he learned anything from our worst start to a season in just about forever. Positive soundbites can't hide the truth now; he's out of ideas and out of his depth. I personally wish he'd resign for his own dignity's sake because I don't think being sacked is a pleasant thing no matter what the severance package is. Dougie has done his very best and I wish him no ill but his best isn't good enough here. He's not equal to this task and it's time he was told that. My ire with him isn't anywhere near as great as my ire with Phil Gartside, not even close but for the long term good of our club BOTH men MUST now go. 

I think DF himself knows it, his last few press conferences have been recycled platitudes but you can see in his body language and in his eyes that he has no idea how to fix the problems despite every sports journalist, Bolton Wanderers fan and football pundit in the country saying much the same thing across every media available. I don't think he believes he CAN change it now, he seems bereft of ideas with which to motivate himself let alone the players.

5What needs to happen now Empty Re: What needs to happen now Sat Feb 08 2014, 21:58

doffcocker

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Don't get me wrong, I got tired of Freedman a long time ago, and never been a Gartside fan.
I just don't agree with how 6 months ago, most people were saying "fair play to PG, he's found us a top young manager in DF", and now that Dougie's looking like a waste of space, everybody's waving their Gartside Out banners again.

6What needs to happen now Empty Re: What needs to happen now Sun Feb 09 2014, 01:07

luckyPeterpiper

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Ivan Campo
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doffcocker wrote:Don't get me wrong, I got tired of Freedman a long time ago, and never been a Gartside fan.
I just don't agree with how 6 months ago, most people were saying "fair play to PG, he's found us a top young manager in DF", and now that Dougie's looking like a waste of space, everybody's waving their Gartside Out banners again.

I understand doffcocker and fair point, a lot of fans were very happy with the appointment. I personally regretted that Owen had to go (I accepted it was right but felt it had been a shame things hadn't worked out because for a while he seemed to be bringing back the best of the BSA days) but I was cautiously optimistic about Dougie as I am about every manager we get former player or not. I counselled patience earlier in the season and until today I would still have given him till the summer while looking around for someone better to come in then. 

However that all changed when Bournemouth got their equaliser. It really was reminiscent of the last Megson game, we had a two nil lead AT HOME against one of the division's weaker away teams but we surrendered it and instead of going all out to get back in front Dougie panicked and made substitutions that put us back in our own box hanging on for grim death to get just one point from what was truly a MUST WIN game. We looked as if we were the away side yet again but worse, we looked totally devoid of anything, confidence, fight, skill, whatever it takes to play professional football and win games just wasn't there and it wasn't the first time by any means. 

For me this was the proverbial last straw, I saw his post match press conference and he looked and sounded like a beaten man. I think he knows himself that his time is up and that he's now a caretaker manager while he waits for the inevitable axe to fall. He's hanging on so the club will have to sack him and pay him off. It's the only reasonable explanation I can come up with. 

But what truly worries me isn't DF's failure, he did his best but it wasn't good enough. I bear him no ill will because he has tried and there are some things he can't do anything about like the finances. 

What scares me is that Phil Gartside is still in charge, he'll still make the next managerial appointment. It will be his FIFTH and ALL his previous appointments have failed spectacularly. He takes the credit for Big Sam but he didn't actually appoint him, in fact he didn't really want him at first. Hargreaves and the old board did all the work and Phil got the credit when it worked out because they felt it would be churlish and be seen as spiteful; back stabbing to publicly call him a liar back then. 

His proven ineptitude and incompetence should have warranted the sack after the Megson fiasco but we've now had two MORE failed appointments since then and I fear that unless Eddie steps in and makes sweeping changes from the top down there's only one direction we'll go in and that's down. I realise it may sound alarmist but I can genuinely see us in League Two in three years or less and perhaps even extinct in five unless Eddie pots Gartside and either runs the club himself or appoints a really good new chairperson with a remit and the backing to reorganise the whole club and make it run the way a modern professional football club needs to in order to first survive then succeed.

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