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31 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:13

Michael Bolton

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El Hadji Diouf
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Really poor by Oldham to sign Evans. If Evans had shown remorse and said he was drunk and said how sorry and ashamed he was, people would likely give him a second chance.
But he is an arrogant nasty rapist and should not be given an opportunity like this.
Oldham have made a big error here.

32 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:20

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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Sam Allardyce got sacked by a rapist, there was no outcry then!!!!

33 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:20

bwfc71

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There is currently a review of the case.....

The fact that he constantly says he was innocent does say something - yes he was convicted but how many other men have been wrongly convicted of a sexual crime because a woman has decided she didn't like it.  I have a friend who was convicted or a sexual crime but eventually got it overturned and he never showed any remorse because he knew he was innocent - many thought he was a wrong'un because he never showed any remorse.

34 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:22

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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bwfc71 wrote:There is currently a review of the case.....

The fact that he constantly says he was innocent does say something - yes he was convicted but how many other men have been wrongly convicted of a sexual crime because a woman has decided she didn't like it.  I have a friend who was convicted or a sexual crime but eventually got it overturned and he never showed any remorse because he knew he was innocent - many thought he was a wrong'un because he never showed any remorse.

Is the "friend" you?

35 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:26

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Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
scottjames30 wrote:
Bwfc1958 wrote:
scottjames30 wrote:Fair play to Oldham for having the balls to stop following sheep and give the lad a chance, he has done his time and i wish him all the best.
So if your child came to you and said he wants the name of a convicted rapist on the back of his shirt, you wouldn't mind?
So, are you saying that Mike Tyson shouldn't have gone back into boxing?

Or Joey Barton didn't learn his lesson after he went to jail?

I'd probably ask myself 'What would Jesus Christ do'.
Asking yourself what an imaginary, made up figure would do is pointless. 
I would say that the Tyson situation isn't much different, so no, I don't think he should have boxed again. Maybe he could have been a coach. That way, he could pass on his skill and knowledge of the sport and also show the youngsters what they can lose by doing something so bad. Evans could also take that route. At least it would mean the victims, who are probably scarred for life by what's happened to them, wouldn't have to constantly see them on TV or in the newspapers. These two used their careers and what they do for a living to take advantage of others and if that's how they are going to use their fame then it should be taken away from them imo. Joey Barton was done for assault, albeit a pretty bad one, I don't think I would be quite as scarred from a beating than being raped. Headbutting and punching are not uncommon on a football pitch so probably wouldn't have as much impact in terms of being a role model. I have never seen a player get sent off for rape though. He also showed remorse, something the other two didn't. I'm being quite generous towards Barton there as I think he is a horrible cunt as well.

36 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:28

bwfc71

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Ivan Campo
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
bwfc71 wrote:There is currently a review of the case.....

The fact that he constantly says he was innocent does say something - yes he was convicted but how many other men have been wrongly convicted of a sexual crime because a woman has decided she didn't like it.  I have a friend who was convicted or a sexual crime but eventually got it overturned and he never showed any remorse because he knew he was innocent - many thought he was a wrong'un because he never showed any remorse.

Is the "friend" you?

Is it fuck me!

But I do actually know someone who went through it and it isn't nice to see!

37 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:49

Mr Magoo

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Youri Djorkaeff
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Maybe Ched is going through the same thing.

38 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:53

scottjames30

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Nat Lofthouse
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Bwfc1958 wrote:
scottjames30 wrote:
Bwfc1958 wrote:
scottjames30 wrote:Fair play to Oldham for having the balls to stop following sheep and give the lad a chance, he has done his time and i wish him all the best.
So if your child came to you and said he wants the name of a convicted rapist on the back of his shirt, you wouldn't mind?


I'd probably ask myself 'What would Jesus Christ do'.
Asking yourself what an imaginary, made up figure would do is pointless. 
I said Jesus Christ, not Natasha Whittam.

He actually isn't made up, he died on a cross.

We'll agree to disagree then 1958.

39 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 19:55

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
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i'm wondering what happens with his appeal, if he is still found guilty is he going to apologise? If he's cleared there is going to be a lot of egg on a lot of faces.

One thing he should do though is condemn the people harassing the woman involved in all this.

40 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 20:24

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I do have doubts about this whole thing to be honest.

Evans is from the world of PR bullshit, if he'd come out on the steps of his house and apologised for his behaviour and wiped away a few tears he'd be on the front cover of 4-4-2 within a few weeks. People would quickly forget.

But his insistence that he is innocent took me to his website - chedevans.com - where all the evidence used during the court case is viewable, including the footage from the hotel. I didn't realise his co-accused Clayton McDonald was charged with exactly the same crime but was found innocent - despite having sex with the woman in question, just like Evans.

Read it, and you sort of see the argument for he didn't do it.

Having said all that, his bint of a girlfriend deserves everything she gets - not only standing by a man who openly admits to cheating on her, but trying to make out he's some sort of saint.

41 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 21:50

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Nat Lofthouse
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Natasha Whittam wrote:

I have my doubts whether Evans is guilty of anything more than being an idiot to be honest.


Evans is a despicable animal that's why the press always refer to him as the rapist Ched Evans. The reason why he is loathed is because he has never apologised or shown contrition. If he held his hand up and publicly repented for raping a paralytic 19 year old girl he might be able to get another job in football. Until then he will cast a dark shadow over every football team he turns up at.

Oldham Athletic will regret signing him, of that I am certain.

42 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 21:53

Reebok Trotter

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bwfc71 wrote:There is currently a review of the case.....

The fact that he constantly says he was innocent does say something - yes he was convicted but how many other men have been wrongly convicted of a sexual crime because a woman has decided she didn't like it. 

It wasn't that she didn't like it. She was pissed out of her brains and fast asleep when he took advantage of her state. She didn't realise he had raped her until the next morning.



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43 Re: Ched Evans on Wed Jan 07 2015, 22:21

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"the fact he says he was innocent does say something"

yeah not many criminals take that line good point Amos.

44 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 08:00

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Reebok Trotter wrote:Evans is a despicable animal that's why the press always refer to him as the rapist Ched Evans. The reason why he is loathed is because he has never apologised or shown contrition. If he held his hand up and publicly repented for raping a paralytic 19 year old girl he might be able to get another job in football. Until then he will cast a dark shadow over every football team he turns up at.

So if the review finds him innocent or that the trial was botched will you change your tune?

If you were guilty of nothing more than cheating on your missus would you hold your hands up and apologise for rape just because a jury found you guilty?

He might be guilty, he might not - but I am amazed he got sent down from the evidence that was available.

45 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 08:53

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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Can I remind folk on here that Jeffrey Archer sits in the Lords saying yes or no to laws made in this country!
He was a man of morals wasn't he?

46 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 08:58

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Nat Lofthouse
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If he starts banging them in for Oldham, it won't be long before other clubs start wanting him.

47 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 09:37

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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scottjames30 wrote:If he starts banging them in for Oldham, it won't be long before other clubs start wanting him.
Correct.

48 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 10:13

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Nat Lofthouse
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Reebok Trotter wrote:Evans is a despicable animal that's why the press always refer to him as the rapist Ched Evans. The reason why he is loathed is because he has never apologised or shown contrition. If he held his hand up and publicly repented for raping a paralytic 19 year old girl he might be able to get another job in football. Until then he will cast a dark shadow over every football team he turns up at.

So if the review finds him innocent or that the trial was botched will you change your tune?

If you were guilty of nothing more than cheating on your missus would you hold your hands up and apologise for rape just because a jury found you guilty?

He might be guilty, he might not - but I am amazed he got sent down from the evidence that was available.

I will be utterly amazed if he wins his appeal. The video footage of the girl in the kebab shop falling over, coupled with the testimony of the night porter is pretty compelling. Add to that the text messages between McDonald and Evans prior to the offence and the video footage of Evans on the job, filmed by the third footballer, boils down to a pretty strong case for the prosecution.

49 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 11:02

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scottjames30 wrote:If he starts banging them in for Oldham, it won't be long before other clubs start wanting him.

Jeffrey Archer???

50 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 11:07

Bwfc1958

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Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
I reckon the only reason he hasn't shown remorse or admitted guilt is because he was hoping all along to resume his career and he feared actually coming out saying it would effectively ruin that chance. He's hoping if he can stick to his story long enough people will believe it and lay off him.

Another thing that bugs me is the sentences handed down. What's the point giving a five year sentence if he only has to serve half? That goes for everyone sentenced, not just Evans. 
Either make them serve a full sentence or just send them down for half the time. It's just a way of the courts looking like they're giving bigger sentences than they actually are so there's no uproar.

51 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 11:41

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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Barb Dwyer wrote:
scottjames30 wrote:If he starts banging them in for Oldham, it won't be long before other clubs start wanting him.

Jeffrey Archer???
Ched Evans!
Jeffrey Archer is a former politician and as such will only talk a good game of football.

52 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 11:43

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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Bwfc1958 wrote:I reckon the only reason he hasn't shown remorse or admitted guilt is because he was hoping all along to resume his career and he feared actually coming out saying it would effectively ruin that chance. He's hoping if he can stick to his story long enough people will believe it and lay off him.

Another thing that bugs me is the sentences handed down. What's the point giving a five year sentence if he only has to serve half? That goes for everyone sentenced, not just Evans. 
Either make them serve a full sentence or just send them down for half the time. It's just a way of the courts looking like they're giving bigger sentences than they actually are so there's no uproar.
Part of the reason is cost and another is that there aren't enough rooms to lock folk in.

53 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 12:27

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I bet you got wed in a church SK and had your kids baptised.

54 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 12:29

Reebok Trotter

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Nat Lofthouse
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Oldham have now capitulated and the deal is off despite the club agreeing personal terms with the rapist Evans.

55 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 12:56

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Ha ha, these spanners who run football clubs are absolute bellends. Oldham have lost sponsors all for nothing.

It didn't take a rocket scientist to work out people would be angry at taking Evans on.

56 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 13:08

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Andy Walker
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What a shame - they'd already renamed part of their ground as the Cheddy End as well.

57 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 13:27

scottjames30

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Nat Lofthouse
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Numpty 28723 wrote:What a shame - they'd already renamed part of their ground as the Cheddy End as well.
Very Happy

58 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 13:51

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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He's apologised.

Get him signed up Lennon!

59 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 13:57

rammywhite

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El Hadji Diouf
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Natasha Whittam wrote:He's apologised.

Get him signed up Lennon!

Actually- he hasn't.
Read it more carefully and you'll find he's only apologised 'for the effects'. Whatever that means.
One of the 'effects' was that he was sent down and is now unemployed/unemployable.
 Two steps forward and three steps back!!

60 Re: Ched Evans on Thu Jan 08 2015, 14:00

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Stop being picky, an apology is an apology.

I expect him to start against Leeds.

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