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Yet another Religious atrocity

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301Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Sun Feb 15 2015, 22:10

wanderful life


Mario Jardel
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Another atrocity in Denmark.
People don't realise the atrocity in Astley Bridge as Muslims take their shoes off to pray on a Friday.Get downwind of that,it makes Tear Gas smell like Chanel No 5.

302Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Sun Feb 15 2015, 22:17

wanderful life


Mario Jardel
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Also 21 Egyptian Christians beheaded by IS.
The laws need to change any Imman spouting death to anyone in the Uk,should be tried for treason.

303Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 08:48

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Hipster_Nebula wrote:
"It is the result of the radical Islamic atmosphere created by the government. The men say that women should be conservative. They think if they are not conservative, they deserve this kind of violence," she said.

In fairness that's just a quote off a woman on the street, hardly makes it fact. Turkeys government is Islamic (and increasingly so in terms of their policies) you could literally blame everything on it if you tried.

Do we not have sexual violence in the west? I know it's a tired argument but i think it's correct in this case.

304Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 09:21

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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I think you'd have to be pretty naive to think that by having a state religion that suggests women are the property of men and nothing more than objects doesn't influence behaviour.

Women are not allowed the very basic freedoms afforded to men which is a tad worrying in 2015.

But I've never suggested all sexual violence is a result of religious thinking but in a country with a climate such as that I think it's something to explore. But while the leaders believe rape is a commandment from God I don't suspect it will be.

305Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 09:53

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Hipster_Nebula wrote:But while the leaders believe rape is a commandment from God I don't suspect it will be.

Utter bullshit. I'm sick of your religious hate.

306Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 10:13

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married...Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.




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307Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:06

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Hipster_Nebula wrote:I think you'd have to be pretty naive to think that by having a state religion that suggests women are the property of men and nothing more than objects doesn't influence behaviour.

Women are not allowed the very basic freedoms afforded to men which is a tad worrying in 2015.

But I've never suggested all sexual violence is a result of religious thinking but in a country with a climate such as that I think it's something to explore. But while the leaders believe rape is a commandment from God I don't suspect it will be.

Despite Erdogan's best efforts, Turkey remains a liberal country (for now at least). What you're saying here is simply not true in regards to Turkey.

308Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:13

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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I'm talking about ideologies.

309Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:20

Reebok_Rebel

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Frank Worthington
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Only one thing thats going to stop these cunts. 

We need a worldwide agreement between all Nuclear weapon states and agree to use Tactical Nuclear Weapons against them. 

Agree certain targets in advance and take them out. There entire infrastructure needs destroying totally. 

If Low-yield nuclear weapons are used (say around 200KT each) we could take out thousands of ISIS rebels, plus all the weapons and infrastructure. 

Plus - if these weapons are air-bursted (exploded about 1000 meters high) Nuclear fallout and radiation is minimal.

310Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:23

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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Thats the last thing we need.

What might be good is a world leader with the balls to stand up to poisonous ideologies. That would at least be a starting point.

311Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:32

Reebok_Rebel

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Frank Worthington
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Hipster_Nebula wrote:Thats the last thing we need.

What might be good is a world leader with the balls to stand up to poisonous ideologies. That would at least be a starting point.
Stand up to them how? 

They don't negotiate. 

They kill EVERYONE, including women, children and babies. 

how do you stand up to that without utterly destroying everything?

312Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:35

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

An ideology is not a person.

but you're right it's very difficult, I just don't agree the solution is a nuclear war.

313Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:41

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Hipster_Nebula wrote:I'm talking about ideologies.

Fair enough but it's not an ideology which is applied in Turkey. Women can drink, dress how they wish and have equal rights to men in every respect. Atatuk and his creation of a secular state post Ottoman Empire is celebrated by Turks and it's something they're very proud of.

314Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:47

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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Reebok_Rebel wrote:Only one thing thats going to stop these cunts. 

We need a worldwide agreement between all Nuclear weapon states and agree to use Tactical Nuclear Weapons against them. 

Agree certain targets in advance and take them out. There entire infrastructure needs destroying totally. 

If Low-yield nuclear weapons are used (say around 200KT each) we could take out thousands of ISIS rebels, plus all the weapons and infrastructure. 

Plus - if these weapons are air-bursted (exploded about 1000 meters high) Nuclear fallout and radiation is minimal.
Oh dear, hope that was tongue in cheek re. Nukes? Perhaps not?

315Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 11:52

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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bwfc1874 wrote:
Hipster_Nebula wrote:I'm talking about ideologies.

Fair enough but it's not an ideology which is applied in Turkey. Women can drink, dress how they wish and have equal rights to men in every respect. Atatuk and his creation of a secular state post Ottoman Empire is celebrated by Turks and it's something they're very proud of.

Well it is because Islam is a state backed religion, the definition of secular is the opposite of that.


but I guess you could call it a "secular interpretation" of Islam, which is a step in the right direction for sure. (only IMO of course) 

316Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 12:43

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Hipster_Nebula wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:
Hipster_Nebula wrote:I'm talking about ideologies.

Fair enough but it's not an ideology which is applied in Turkey. Women can drink, dress how they wish and have equal rights to men in every respect. Atatuk and his creation of a secular state post Ottoman Empire is celebrated by Turks and it's something they're very proud of.

Well it is because Islam is a state backed religion, the definition of secular is the opposite of that.


but I guess you could call it a "secular interpretation" of Islam, which is a step in the right direction for sure. (only IMO of course) 

Unfortunately Erdogan is dragging the country in the wrong direction and away from secularity. 

Even so, this is not an ideology supported in Turkey -

Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married...Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars. 


If it did rape wouldn't be illegal.

317Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 12:45

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Reebok_Rebel wrote:Only one thing thats going to stop these cunts. 

We need a worldwide agreement between all Nuclear weapon states and agree to use Tactical Nuclear Weapons against them. 

Agree certain targets in advance and take them out. There entire infrastructure needs destroying totally. 

If Low-yield nuclear weapons are used (say around 200KT each) we could take out thousands of ISIS rebels, plus all the weapons and infrastructure. 

Plus - if these weapons are air-bursted (exploded about 1000 meters high) Nuclear fallout and radiation is minimal.

Wouldn't solves anything, what about Boko Haram? Start nuking Africa too?

As Hipster says you can't bomb an ideology, we'd just radicalise more people as we mill even more innocents.

And let's face it, even though IS are terrifying and particularly horrific, at the moment they're not a real threat to us.

318Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 13:36

Reebok_Rebel

Reebok_Rebel
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Bwfc74 wrote:

And let's face it, even though IS are terrifying and particularly horrific, at the moment they're not a real threat to us.
...Give it about 12 months. They will be. Already starting to rear its head now. 

Its in our Nuclear Defence Policy - on threats to our national security and territorial integrity, we reserve the right to use nuclear weapons. 

I think it needs nipping in the bud sooner rather than later. 

An enemy that is not afraid to die is the scariest thing in the world, only solution is go ive them what they want and kill EVERY single one of them. 

I know it seems extreme, but anyone else got any ideas on how to stop Islamist Extremism? 





no?

319Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 13:39

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So in 12 months you think IS will be readying an invasion of the UK? That's what I mean by a serious threat to us.

And you think we'd be able to kill every single one of them? And what about Africa with Boko Haram? Bomb that too? What about the countless innocent people that would die? 

Do you not think any survivors (innocent or not) would grow up hating the West even more and just be the next wave of extremists?

320Yet another Religious atrocity - Page 16 Empty Re: Yet another Religious atrocity Mon Feb 16 2015, 13:45

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

They are already here probably preparing to strike as in with lone-wolf style attacks.

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