Yet another Religious atrocity

I think that this notion that "evil" exists as an entity in its own right is flawed.

It's a throwback to a time when 99% of people believed in a god of some sort or other and the idea that "evil" existed was a central tenet of their belief systems.

(The word "Devil" is derived from the word "evil" afterall.)

Before we had massive geopolitics on the scale we had today, the power rested in the hands of relatively few individuals - Kings on a macro level and The Church on a "day to day" micro level.

So it was in the interest of those running The Church to create and perpetuate this idea that "evil" existed as a force in its own right, so that they could control the masses and maintain their control over them.

Nowadays, the vast majority of us are far more secular in our thinking and the notion that something called "evil" exists as an entity seems odd (to me at least).

All humans inherently have the capacity to do good things and bad things.

Much in the same way that I like Ice Cream but the bloke next door hates it, he might think nothing of kicking a puppy, whereas I'd be appalled at the thought. 

I'm not really articulating this very well, but I suppose that my main point is that we've got to stop looking for some "spiritual" reason why people commit terrible, "evil" acts and accept that they just do.

Their motivation may be unclear to the majority of us, but there will always be a certain section of society who will seek to exploit this capability for their own ends.

ie, "I am a powerful Mullah and I want to be feared and respected because I'm a bit of a despot, so I'm going to exploit your fear and weakness by saying that God wants you to kill some tourists on a beach.

If you don't do it, you're going to Hell. If you do do it, you will be rewarded in Paradise."

And faced with the prospect of eternal damnation, the feeble-minded religious fools do as instructed.

And the rest of us are left scratching our heads at how they could have done it.

Having worked in Tunisia I cannot think anything other than poverty is turning these young mans heads towards this evil.

Tunisians in general are a happy go lucky race, and will give you their last crumb, I have a lot of Tunisian friends, all of which are appalled at this atrocity, not just for their jobs, but because they are a proud and peaceful bunch, the fear now is, that if as will most likely happen, tourism stops, more youngsters will be drawn into IS to stave off poverty.

I heard a journalist state on LBC that the locals had had a March in support for the dead and the injured in Sussex. That's what I'd like to see and hear from more of them and find this rather pleasing.
Pity Warsi, yes I'm still waiting for a link, can't come out with condemnation of the incident, and Yasmin Quereshi too for that matter, I'm sure it would go some way to settle the 'infidels".

Yasmin Qureshi yesterday:

"Prayers for the victims of yesterday's terrible attacks in Tunisia, Kuwait and France. Such barbarity contravenes all basic levels of humanity."

That do?

Yes, that'll do nicely. I expect it'll be in the Bolton news. As for Warsi I'm still waiting but I suspect she has an agenda and past incidents with Camoron re. The Gaza has warped her somewhat.
If the locals can show some solidarity I expect her to given the pedestal she has her arse on!!!

Bit late for Prayers considering they're all dead. 

It's all God's plan anyway so he must have wanted them murdered.

They do their best Hipster. Find it very hard to cope with the fact that educated people believe in bullshit!!!
Glad I'm a thick cnut, or is that it, I'm missing the point?

https://youtu.be/xuXXCj6Zx4Y

Here's hoping the virgins are off the menu!?!

Soz.

I holidayed in Tunisia in the eighties and it was a lovely place. I stayed in Hammamet but also visited Sousse and Port El Kantoui. Tuniaia relies on tourism to maintain its economy so this mass exodus of tourists is going to hit them hard. Still..I guess that's what this massacre was meant to do.
It's all right talking about appeasement and sitting round a table to find some common ground but that's the problem. There isn't any. With these nutters it's either their way or the highway. You can't negotiate with people who want to behead you because you don't share their beliefs. If all things could be solved by dialogue then there would be no need for politicians to declare war.

RT why the fuck do you always talk sense?
As an adage I always fancied going there many years ago when the advert went in "my dreams...... " but it went off my bucket list a few years ago along with Egypt, based on other folks experiences whose opinions I value.
However I do feel for the "locals".

You have to feel sorry for the vast majority of law abiding muslims who have no truck with ISIS and the other motley crews of Jarheadies. However..it is they that must do more to disassociate themselves from those who bring shame on their religion.
If it wasn't so serious it would be bloody hilarious. The Muslims can't even find common ground amongst themselves with half of them following the Sunni doctrine and the other half siding with the Sharia shite. If they can't even get on with each other what bloody chance do the Christians have of making peace with them?

Always time for a selfie...

Reebok Trotter wrote:You have to feel sorry for the vast majority of law abiding muslims who have no truck with ISIS and the other motley crews of Jarheadies. However..it is they that must do more to disassociate themselves from those who bring shame on their religion.
If it wasn't so serious it would be bloody hilarious. The Muslims can't even find common ground amongst themselves with half of them following the Sunni doctrine and the other half siding with the Sharia shite. If they can't even get on with each other what bloody chance do the Christians have of making peace with them?

Their differences remind me of Northern Ireland, however I found out much later than my early interest that it was much less a case of religion but more of favour.
If Henry had kept his owd lad under check we'd all still be eating fish on Friday and the Virgins'Castle up Wigan Road would never existed!
At least that's one plus out the conflict.

Unfortunately it is an absolutely unwinnable war. Going over there with an army and trying to wipe out IS will never work. As has already been previously mentioned somewhere in this thread, the main threat we face is from homegrown terrorists. It may take longer than everyone would hope but engaging these communities on our own shores has to be a good thing. It may take 10 years, 20 years or 50 years but if some progress can be made to make the world a safer place for future generations, then that is all you  can hope for at this point unfortunately. It might sound idealistic but all you can do is try. I do get Johnnys point of view though, as I have faced similar problems regarding Muslims who think they own certain territories and don't like you to pass through. I suppose that is why, even if they don't like it, the good people of the Islamic communities have an obligation to work hard to change the ridiculous ideals of the nutters amongst them.

Reebok Trotter wrote:You have to feel sorry for the vast majority of law abiding muslims who have no truck with ISIS and the other motley crews of Jarheadies. However..it is they that must do more to disassociate themselves from those who bring shame on their religion.
If it wasn't so serious it would be bloody hilarious. The Muslims can't even find common ground amongst themselves with half of them following the Sunni doctrine and the other half siding with the Sharia shite. If they can't even get on with each other what bloody chance do the Christians have of making peace with them?

The Quran is pretty clear what Muslims should do.

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

I will never go on holiday other than Blackpool ever again.

Morocco will probably be the next target. They are another north African Muslim country that rely on tourism. Marrakesh, Tangier, Casablanca and Agadir are very popular with western tourists. It has coastlines on both the Atlantic and the Med. Watch this space.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Reebok Trotter wrote:You have to feel sorry for the vast majority of law abiding muslims who have no truck with ISIS and the other motley crews of Jarheadies. However..it is they that must do more to disassociate themselves from those who bring shame on their religion.
If it wasn't so serious it would be bloody hilarious. The Muslims can't even find common ground amongst themselves with half of them following the Sunni doctrine and the other half siding with the Sharia shite. If they can't even get on with each other what bloody chance do the Christians have of making peace with them?

The Quran is pretty clear what Muslims should do.

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

There's violence in the Bible as well if you choose to look. The common denominator for me is bullshit and the power of man over man. Absolute bollox.
I hate religion and the ability to turn sensible folk into halfwits.
Some of the biggest twats Ive met in my working life have had their sins cleansed on Sunday morning after shithousing all week. Many years ago I met one of them whilst out on a crawl down Halliwell Road., and it was first pub on the list.
I was sober and he walked in nicey nicey and I took pleasure in telling him what a right cnut he was and what a fine example to his faith he was. Furthermore he had two mates who I had experienced first hand in the work place and told him to tell them about our little conversation and how they lived in the same box as him.
At the time, it was one of the best nights out Id had cos id waited awhile to nail one of these so called "Christians"!

Soul Kitchen wrote:

I was sober and he walked in nicey nicey and I took pleasure in telling him what a right cnut he was and what a fine example to his faith he was. Furthermore he had two mates who I had experienced first hand in the work place and told him to tell them about our little conversation and how they lived in the same box as him.
At the time, it was one of the best nights out Id had cos id waited awhile to nail one of these so called "Christians"!

Excerpt from "Emperor Tiberius: And why I fuckin' hate them Christian twats", first published by Harperus et Collinsus circa 42 AD.

The "two mates" mentioned are widely believed to be James (son of Zebedee) and Simon (who is called Peter for some bizarre reason.)