It's always somebody else's fault

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31572816

Of course it is nothing to do with their poor parenting skills and the religious upbringing they have given her that explains why their idiot daughter has gone off to join a bunch of murderous religious loonies.

Correct. It's the PC World we live in, farting in public will be subject to compensation claims soon.
On a more realistic point why should my taxes pay to keep these deluded cnuts in this country if they want out?

are you suggesting someone open a debate about the real cause of this problem? The ideology behind it.

That would require some balls. So it will never happen. We're pandering to 3 individuals who obviously hate this society, everything it stands for and the people within in it.

We are probably dealing with three idealistic, well meaning good girls who are completely naive (and stupid) about the world that they are in.

We have probably three sets of distraught and extremely worried parents fearing for the future safety of their babies.

Our western 'culture' isn't much to brag about really when we look at our own Jeremy Kyle family's and scrotes we've produced, so I guess the wonder is not why these three little girls want to go to an idealistic world they think is being built - but why loads more impressionable and well meaning kids aren't also.

They will no doubt be in for a hell of a shock if they ever get to the IS caliphate but at least they are living their dream - for better or worse!

Of course their heads have been filled with religious nonsense but so to had their parents, and their parents before them - and so to will their children (when they have them) and their childrens children - and so on.

We (the west) aren't going to change that, so best we accept to live with each other in peace and learn to tolerate each other and our ways and religions.

If the middle east wants to live like they did in the dark ages - then let them BUT let them live it in their own country's - not ours.

If they want to live amongst us in the west then they should tolerate the western way and not try to overthrow it. If they think drawing a cartoon or two is blasphomy, then move to a country where everybody else thinks the same rather than killing the people that drew them!

Simple really.

A fair percentage of impressionable kids are always going to fall for something like this in the teenage years when they are trying to establish their own identity and differentiate themselves from their (oppressive) parents. I remember when Gaddafi's Third World and Mao's Little Red book were being punted in Newport street and attracting their fair share of mugs - mainly white middle class.

Interesting interview with ex-CIA consultant saying there's a move afoot to orchestrate a Muslim campaign emphasising the religion of peace and condemning terrorism in European and American communities - after all, 99.99% of Muslims are against IS etc so it makes sense to use that resource to prevent shit like this happening.

Summed it up there Sluffy.
It would appear some folk want the "nanny state" when it suits and their own way when it doesn't?!
Tolerance of all this shit wears very thin the older you get.
I had a look at Umm Waqqa twitter account today, that's a little eye opener. Some of the spouting is interesting. Umm Waqqa is the woman who lured the Glasgow girl into IS btw.

wanderlust wrote:Interesting interview with ex-CIA consultant saying there's a move afoot to orchestrate a Muslim campaign emphasising the religion of peace and condemning terrorism in European and American communities - after all, 99.99% of Muslims are against IS etc so it makes sense to use that resource to prevent shit like this happening.

This.

I've said before on here regarding this whole topic, you don't win a "war" like this one with bombs and bullets, you need to win hearts and minds.

The only way we will see and end to IS and their particular brand of backward looking Wahhabism is if the Muslim world unites and publicly denounces them.

Will that happen?

I dunno because Islam's like any other religion in as much as there are many differing branches, all with their own agenda, so to unite as one and universally condemn IS is a tall order.

We just need to see a start to get the ball rolling and take it from there.

About the only thing I can guarantee is that if we carry on as we are, killing the odd mad mullah with air strikes, it'll get a whole lot worse before it gets better because there's no better recruiting tool than footage of villages being blown up by laser targeted bombs.

Talking to the fanatics will not happen. They are FANATICS. If you want their attention, all this breast beating, and 'lets talk nice to them' is a load of bollocks. By all means talk to them, but not until they are prepared to listen.
This wont happen until the West and all its simpering do-gooders have brought them to the table in the only way they know, the bomb and the bullet. They have murdered thousands of people, and we want to talk to them. WTF is that all about! We'll be offering them foreign aid at this rate.
Those three young women, (not children), are doing what many many British youngsters do, run away from home, so why are we not being told about them ?

Nigel will sort this out when he's PM.

Soul Kitchen wrote:
On a more realistic point why should my taxes pay to keep these deluded cnuts in this country if they want out?

This.

This country is becoming a joke, David Icke is spot on.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Nigel will sort this out when he's PM.

I thought his policy was to stop people entering the country not stop them leaving.

xmiles wrote:
I thought his policy was to stop people entering the country not stop them leaving.

He'll stop them coming in the first place so they won't be able to leave.

Reebok Trotter wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:
On a more realistic point why should my taxes pay to keep these deluded cnuts in this country if they want out?

This.

They should also be on a way way street, no return!

We have enough tossers in this country as it is, let's get rid of more of them!

Enola Gay!

Yeah, let's banish OMD.

Poncey, art-house, Scouse wankers!

gloswhite wrote:Talking to the fanatics will not happen. They are FANATICS. If you want their attention, all this breast beating, and 'lets talk nice to them' is a load of bollocks. By all means talk to them, but not until they are prepared to listen.
This wont happen until the West and all its simpering do-gooders have brought them to the table in the only way they know, the bomb and the bullet. They have murdered thousands of people, and we want to talk to them. WTF is that all about! We'll be offering them foreign aid at this rate.
Those three young women, (not children), are doing what many many British youngsters do, run away from home, so why are we not being told about them ?

I disagree Glos.

Currently in British Muslim communities, people who condemn "extremism" to their children run the risk of being branded anti-Muslim by their own children as the debate is nowhere near resolved. Muslim leaders are absolutely clear in their anti-terrorism message but parents everywhere have to have the ideological debate with their children and they need support from across their communities which currently doesn't exist in some areas.
Many parents are frightened to condemn extremism and need the same level of orchestrated support to deliver that message as the internet provides support to those with a pro-terrorism message.

I know it's a vain hope to get teenagers to respond to messages of community condemnation - after all we tell our kids not to commit crimes, use drugs etc but some will anyway - but if there was at least a coherent and strong message coming out of each Muslim community in the UK it would be an improvement.

What hasn't been clearly stated as yet is the message that "this supposed "jihad" is anti-Muslim. It is political in nature. Don't be manipulated."

If kids start to believe they are being abused and manipulated by "online jihadists" the whole thing will lose it's sense of "righteousness" that teenagers like to feel.

It's quite difficult to convince people of something when the source of it the Quran and the Hadith confirm what they are saying. 

That's the real problem that will never be addressed.

I know what you are saying Wander, but you reinforce the main point I make, in that it is no use talking, at least at this stage, when they don't/won't listen to their own people, (indeed, they are happy to kill their own people, for almost any reason). Bear in mind that I am talking about the IS fanatics, and not the everyday Muslim.

gloswhite wrote:I know what you are saying Wander, but you reinforce the main point I make, in that it is no use talking, at least at this stage, when they don't/won't listen to their own people, (indeed, they are happy to kill their own people, for almost any reason). Bear in mind that I am talking about the IS fanatics, and not the everyday Muslim.

Fair enough - different point.
I just don't think that there is enough peer group and community condemnation of radicalisation to impact on teenage Muslims so that the online "jihad" is not seen as a "cool" thing to do.
And I think the reason for that is partially cultural i.e. that ordinary Muslims are frightened to speak out for fear of being branded anti-Muslim.

This is because there are long-established cultural forces at work to create and maintain "community leaders" who as far as I can tell are unelected and either are born into the right families, have sufficient wealth or show sufficient devoutness to rise up the ranks. These are the local opinion formers and there's a lot of pressure amongst ordinary Muslims to keep quiet and do what they're told. Local "politics" rules.

If The Muslim Council or some other group that has the ear of community leaders makes it OK to speak out against radicalisation it will be a significant development.