Its the players fault but Lennon needs to go

I don't say this easily and i know we can't afford to sack him but it's time for Lennon to go.

Yes the players are to blame and Lennon has not had any resources but it's obvious he doesn't have it in him to get the players to perform at any kind of decent level and turn this around now.

I also know constantly changing managers doesn't help but how much worse does it have to get? Does anyone think Lennon would stick around for league 1? I certainly don't.

As for who should replace him, to be honest who would want the job?

Feel free to call me an idiot but it's just how i feel now. He has seemed lost for weeks and the whole tabloid mess hasn't helped either

I've no doubt he will go on and be a good manager somewhere else but it won't be here i'm afraid.

Obviously he's failed he's been dealt a bum hand but at this level that excuse doesn't take as much precedence as it does in the prem. It's about getting whatever you've got to bust their arse every week even in defeat and though they are doing in every now and then he obviously can't command that respect every week.

Don't think it will make a blind bit of difference sacking him honestly, until the off field stuff is settled the manager could be a traffic cone

If Lennons shagging his bint in the team hotel, he's not focussed on the team, and this has been apparent for Months, 1 win in 29 games is beyond sackable.

Do I want him to go? Yes, because I don't want it to turn into another embarrassing witch hunt, which now seems inevitable.

Do I think the best manager in the world could come in and ultimately do a much better job? No. There might be a period where certain players improve and we might even stay up but we'd only be back to square one 6 months or so later.

The club basically needs rebuilding, and sad as it sounds, the fact we've got a group of players not performing for the current manager isn't our biggest worry. I suspect even if Lennon resigned we'd only bring in some absolute unknown willing to just wear the outfit and stand on the touchline for peanuts.

Fuck off Lennon , just fuck off.

doffcocker wrote:
Do I think the best manager in the world could come in and ultimately do a much better job? No.

What a load of crap. It's a poor squad, no doubt about that, but the team that was put out today should be able to compete at the bottom of the Championship.

There is no heart in this team, and as I keep saying, poor teams can go a long way on heart.

Lennon has made two crucial mistakes since he came to the club:

1) No leadership on the pitch, a captain should have been his main priority.

2) Thinking Madine and Heskey would be good enough upfront.

MartinBWFC wrote:If Lennons shagging his bint in the team hotel, he's not focussed on the team, and this has been apparent for Months, 1 win in 29 games is beyond sackable.

But how do you know that him having sex with this girl is the reason it's all gone wrong?
Think about it, he could have just made do with his wife, and we might still have only 1 win in 29.
For all we know he could have shagged absolutely nobody and we'd have no wins at all.

Natasha Whittam wrote:
What a load of crap. It's a poor squad, no doubt about that, but the team that was put out today should be able to compete at the bottom of the Championship.

It shouldn't. It's crap. Just like your brain.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

1) No leadership on the pitch, a captain should have been his main priority.

Is this an actual observation you've made or is it just one of those stupid things that people say when a team is playing shit?
I think it's more likely to be the latter.
Out of interest, how exactly can you tell whether there are any "leaders" in a team or not? Do you sit in row A every match? Do you become alarmed when you haven't heard a certain player's voice for 10 seconds? Are you privy to every word that is exchanged within a team?

If we brought in a new manager, we'd probably have a few months where the likes of Feeney and Pratley look like world beaters before we go back to square one and we're hearing all the same cliches all over again. Like "there's just no passion in the team" and "they just don't look interested" and "we've not got any leaders".

doffcocker wrote:
Is this an actual observation you've made or is it just one of those stupid things that people say when a team is playing shit?

You follow my work closer than you follow BigJugs.com so you should know I've been saying this for a couple of seasons now.

If you can't understand that every team needs a leader on the pitch then you're dimmer than I thought. And I already thought you were super dim.

Don't worry the Supporters Trust will save us!

Natasha Whittam wrote:

You follow my work closer than you follow BigJugs.com so you should know I've been saying this for a couple of seasons now.

You've been saying all sorts for many years, mostly utter shite.

Anybody can say "every team needs this, every team needs that!"

But you've not answered my question. How do you know that we don't already have a leader on the pitch? And don't say "the fact that we're bottom of the league" because there are hundreds of contributing factors. What is even your definition of a leader as far as a professional football team is concerned? What if we've got too many "leaders" and this is causing friction?

doffcocker wrote:

You've been saying all sorts for many years, mostly utter shite.

Anybody can say "every team needs this, every team needs that!"

But you've not answered my question. How do you know that we don't already have a leader on the pitch? And don't say "the fact that we're bottom of the league" because there are hundreds of contributing factors. What is even your definition of a leader as far as a professional football team is concerned? What if we've got too many "leaders" and this is causing friction?

You fuckwit. You just need to sit in the stands to witness the complete lack of leadership on the pitch. When they go a goal down you don't see anyone bollocking the players or trying to gee them up.

You're probably too young to remember the likes of Gerry Taggart, Gudni Bergsson and Bruno N'Gotty but these were players that lead by example.

Too many leaders? Now I know you're taking the piss.

Sluffy wrote:Don't worry the Supporters Trust will save us!

They've  more chance than any other fucker!

scottjames30 wrote:

Sluffy wrote:Don't worry the Supporters Trust will save us!

They've  more chance than any other fucker!

Yes I'll take some bolton twitterati over a billionaire owner any day of the week.

Lennon is piss poor, can't get his team ready for a six pointer.

Fucking joke that man.

Same as Dougie, I honestly think he's doing his best, he's clearly just not capable of helping a team in this situation at this time.

sad but true. But sacking him isn't going to do anything, unless there are real internal problems with him.

Get Dave Flitcroft or Phil Brown in, enough is enough.

I've not been at a match in a couple of seasons now but even I know there is obviously something basically wrong when the teams record is 1 win in 29 games.

I know too that Lennon may have been given a poison chalice of a job but I doubt there are many average managers about who can match or do worse than that record.

Clearly from the little bits of snippets that do surface there doesn't seems to be much professional pride in key individuals - Spearing (the club captain remember) went on a four day piss up last season when the club was at (or near) the bottom of the table, Madine (or key striker!) is seen on live TV calling the manager "a fucking prick", and Lennon himself is busy chasing skirt (at least two affairs on the go) and clearly not hiding it (taking his young stuff to the team hotel the day before games).

Yes I know people tell me they can do what they want in their own time and everybody needs to relax at times - but I was brought up with a different outlook and life and you stand up and are counted when things are going wrong.

I've also learned that you earn respect you simply don't get it given to you.

God knows what attitude people have these days but the club from top to bottom does seem to be leaderless.

If we are to go down - and we probably will unless things change soon - then at least let us go down fighting.  We might as well play players who want to give all they have got rather than perhaps more skilful players who just go through the motions.  We may as well go with a coach who tries to get the best out of the players he has rather than one who seems to have lost all faith in everything but his pulling powers.

We want people to want to want to stay behind and work on playing together as a unit rather than get pissed as quickly as they can.

1 win in 29 is an embarrassment.

Do the basics, pick a settled back four and keeper, play a couple of defensive midfielders - park the bus - and practice the set plays as with our strikers we aren't going to be scoring many from free play.

Yes it may be shit to watch but it is backs against the wall time.  A win or two playing ugly might breath a bit of life back in the team because losing 4-0 to teams like Rotherham is certainly not.

Natasha Whittam wrote:
You're probably too young to remember the likes of Gerry Taggart, Gudni Bergsson and Bruno N'Gotty but these were players that lead by example.

Ha ha, I do remember Taggart, Bergsson and N'Gotty funnily enough. Not so much Taggart but the other two like it was just yesterday. I love it when you subtly patronise me like that.

I'm sorry I just don't buy this "you can see it from the stands" nonsense. All you've basically said is that you've - from wherever it is that you sit and watch the game - identified a lack of motivation in the team and that throwing some gobshite into the mix is somehow gonna turn this lot into a competent team.

Taggart, Bergsson and N'Gotty at least had some really talented players to work with. This lot is just a bunch of Championship/League One journeymen I'm afraid.