Vaping

Smoking cigarettes is a stupid and very unhealthy habit. Now the tobacco companies are trying to sell us e-cigarettes because they are allegedly less harmful. The active ingredient is still the same toxic and addictive substance nicotine. Even worse there are now idiots asking for e-cigarettes to be provided on prescription.

These people should acquire some will power and give up smoking rather than expect the NHS to subsidise their moronic habit.

Massive over simplification and misunderstanding of the subject presented in the opening piece and for that reason, I'm out.

What do you want an essay?

You're talking through your arse and I can't be bothered correcting you.

Go away and do some research on the subject.

Do you want to ban coffee as well, because that contains caffeine, a substance about as "toxic" as nicotine?

If you're going to start a thread like this, at least learn a bit about the subject matter first to avoid making yourself look like a dick, as you did last week when you tried arguing that major evolutionary change occurs over a period of a few thousand years.

Dullard.

(And if you haven't got the plums to stand by your digs, instead of deleting them in the edit, don't post them in the first place.)

Any tar in e-cigs?

No...thought not

Breadman you obviously know very little about evolution and are apparently not capable of arguing your case. You simply prefer to use abuse rather than rational argument.

You can't even explain why you disagree with the statements I originally posted. Do you think smoking is healthy? Do you think nicotine is not toxic? Do you think the NHS should subsidise the provision of e-cigarettes?

There is plenty of evidence that the liquid nicotine used in e-cigarettes is dangerous. See for example https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQFjADahUKEwi1yLDTts7HAhWwB9sKHXEfCl0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2015%2Ffeb%2F19%2Fnicotine-poison-e-cigarettes-evidence&ei=g7fhVfX6BbCP7AbxvqjoBQ&usg=AFQjCNHGhvguWphswQzqU-DKwso3I_lxOA&sig2=A9A_c7Ch3FzPlyiBAlGIzQ

As for your ludicrous comparison of coffee and tobacco how many people have died from caffeine poisoning?

Incidentally the reason I edited my post before you posted your latest effort is that I did not want to lower myself to your level.

Breadman is clearly a fat smoker with depression.

I honestly can't be arsed arguing about this with someone who clearly has a fundamental difficulty understanding the subject matter, so these will be my final words on the subject.

You say nicotine is toxic but it isn't really. It's about as toxic as caffeine.

You say the tobacco companies are pushing e-cigs but they're not. They see the e-cig manufacturers as the enemy.

The link to that article you posted doesn't really offer any evidence.....of anything.

Unless you've smoked and have made the switch to vaping, you can't honestly understand the difference I suppose, so a certain amount of ignorance is to be expected and I get that but I'm getting pissed off with people who don't know what they're talking about making things difficult for those of us who have benefited from e-cigs and can understand the benefits.

Breadman, you really have to stop taking every thread personally.

I'll be doing my weekly depression thread later, please don't read it.

Another master class from Breadman in not understanding the point.

1. If nicotine is as toxic as caffeine why have so few people died from ingesting caffeine compared to the millions that have died as a result of smoking and ingesting nicotine?

2. Big tobacco companies do own many of the biggest e-cigarette brands https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCkQFjACahUKEwiApofiwM7HAhUqm9sKHRB_A58&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tobaccotactics.org%2Findex.php%2FE-cigarettes&ei=HsLhVYCfDqq27gaQ_o34CQ&usg=AFQjCNGt2e8fm-lIUOmIMLCG21KeF9CBvw&sig2=gKOv5xGJOrVmI69aZSij1A

3. I haven't murdered anyone so by Breadman's logic I must be ignorant about the subject of murder.

Unlike Breadman I do understand the subject and am not basing everything I say on personal experience to the exclusion of actually doing some research. Unfortunately I realise Imust have touched a nerve. In May 2014 Breadman posted:

Until last April I was a heavy smoker - 30 a day for 25 years. I started smoking at University when I was 18 and I can't remember why, but I wish I hadn't. Over the years, it's affected my health and cost me thousands.

I'd never really tried to give up before because I know I haven't got the will-power.

Then last April, a bloke I worked with suggested I tried vaping instead. And it did the trick. You get the same "hit" at the back of the throat like a real fag and you get your nicotine hit, but without all the nasty tar and smoke.

As Angry Dad suggested at the time maybe he should "grow a pair and just give up smoking, its pathetic."

You thick cunt.

It's the tar that kills you in cigarettes, not the fucking nicotine.

And that's what I meant about your fundamental inability to understand the subject matter.

And if you still think I was saying that caffeine is dangerous, then not only are you a smug prick, you really are a daft twat.

Now fuck off.

I'm sure I mentioned tar somewhere

Breadman wrote:You thick cunt.

It's the tar that kills you in cigarettes, not the fucking nicotine.

And that's what I meant about your fundamental inability to understand the subject matter.

And if you still think I was saying that caffeine is dangerous, then not only are you a smug prick, you really are a daft twat.

Now fuck off.

This is vile and disgusting language and deserves a ban imo

Thanks.

Breadman wrote:You thick cunt.

It's the tar that kills you in cigarettes, not the fucking nicotine.

And that's what I meant about your fundamental inability to understand the subject matter.

And if you still think I was saying that caffeine is dangerous, then not only are you a smug prick, you really are a daft twat.

Now fuck off.

Yep definitely touched a nerve.

I guess you just can't handle the fact that you are a weak willed addict who likes putting objects in his mouth.

xmiles wrote:

I guess you just can't handle the fact that you are a weak willed addict who likes putting objects in his mouth.

What he does with KP behind Bargain Booze is his own business.

Nobody's touched anything, on here, behind Bargain Booze or anywhere else.

I just resent being lectured to by some knob who believes that evolution goes:

Amoeba - Fish - Bird - Aeroplane.

And thinks it takes about three weeks.

I can just about live with being talked down to by someone with a superior intellect who knows their stuff (no, not you in the flat in Preston) but when it's some goon who doesn't even understand why fags are bad for you, it's hard to take.