Nuts EU Referendum - How will you be voting?

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

Norpig wrote:Boris could be next PM, i'll just leave that thought with you.....

What makes it even worse is the sight of that gurning racist tool Farage calling it "Independence Day for the UK".

Hasn't that clown grasped what the vote actually means? Scotland and Northern Ireland will both look to go their separate ways and stay in the EU as separate states in their own right. Northern Ireland might stay in the UK thanks to its solidly Unionist Protestant population but Scotland will leave, the SNP will walk a second independence referendum and you'd better believe they'll call one in the next twelve months. This isn't just about Brexit, it's about the future of Great Britain itself and the Little England Brigade have just ensured that within ten years there won't be a United Kingdom.

Correct.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

Norpig wrote:Boris could be next PM, i'll just leave that thought with you.....

What makes it even worse is the sight of that gurning racist tool Farage calling it "Independence Day for the UK".

Hasn't that clown grasped what the vote actually means? Scotland and Northern Ireland will both look to go their separate ways and stay in the EU as separate states in their own right. Northern Ireland might stay in the UK thanks to its solidly Unionist Protestant population but Scotland will leave, the SNP will walk a second independence referendum and you'd better believe they'll call one in the next twelve months. This isn't just about Brexit, it's about the future of Great Britain itself and the Little England Brigade have just ensured that within ten years there won't be a United Kingdom.

Correct.
Keep getting told flood control is on KP. Bloody immigrants!

luckyPeterpiper wrote:This is a disastrous day for the UK. Our kids and grandkids will pay the price for our myopia and xenophobia in a big, big way for a very long time to come.

I fully expect to see a second Scottish Independence referendum within three years given that they voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU and this time the SNP will walk it. Northern Ireland will also want to go its own way as they too voted massively in favour of Remain. It's not just economically catastrophic, it probably spells the end of Great Britain itself. Within a decade I can see us being four tinpot little countries with no real influence or power anywhere in the world.

Those of you crowing about "victory for freedom" might want to make a note of this date because this is the day the UK died.

I can see why people are worried, I voted remain myself because I don't like the massive uncertainty and sometimes if you're not sure what to do, it's a case of better the devil you know, but saying stuff like, 'this is the day the UK died' maybe a bit over the top. 

It might take a few years to balance out while we renegotiate trade deals etc but in time, once the dust has settled, we can come out of the other side and remain strong. 

The arse dropping out of the value of the pound is worrying short term and understandably so, and there's also the worry of the EU trying to punish us for this decision and what moron we'll end up with as PM is anyone's guess, but at the end of the day, it's the will of the people, and for better or worse we'll get through it. 

Not everyone wanted a Conservative government and Cameron in power but you deal with it and move on. 

It's time to hope for the best but I'm sure we'll be ok in the long run.

At least the German papers are having a laugh. One even offered bribes.

BILD'S BRIBES TO CONVINCE VOTERS TO REJECT BREXIT

We'll acknowledge the Wembley goal
We'll stop making jokes about Prince Charles's ears
We'll stop using sun cream on the beach out of solidarity with your sunburn
We'll reserve a place with our towels for you on the hotel sun-lounger
We'll introduce tea breaks
We'll turn our clocks back an hour to be in synch with you
We'll do without a goalie in penalty shoot-outs with you to make it a bit more exciting
We'll send (German national football manager) Joachim Low to guard your Crown Jewels
We'll introduce an EU regulation banning a frothy head on beer
We'll all come along to the Queen's 100th birthday
We'll willingly provide the villain in every Bond film 

Bwfc1958 wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:This is a disastrous day for the UK. Our kids and grandkids will pay the price for our myopia and xenophobia in a big, big way for a very long time to come.

I fully expect to see a second Scottish Independence referendum within three years given that they voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU and this time the SNP will walk it. Northern Ireland will also want to go its own way as they too voted massively in favour of Remain. It's not just economically catastrophic, it probably spells the end of Great Britain itself. Within a decade I can see us being four tinpot little countries with no real influence or power anywhere in the world.

Those of you crowing about "victory for freedom" might want to make a note of this date because this is the day the UK died.

I can see why people are worried, I voted remain myself because I don't like the massive uncertainty and sometimes if you're not sure what to do, it's a case of better the devil you know, but saying stuff like, 'this is the day the UK died' maybe a bit over the top. 

It might take a few years to balance out while we renegotiate trade deals etc but in time, once the dust has settled, we can come out of the other side and remain strong. 

The arse dropping out of the value of the pound is worrying short term and understandably so, and there's also the worry of the EU trying to punish us for this decision and what moron we'll end up with as PM is anyone's guess, but at the end of the day, it's the will of the people, and for better or worse we'll get through it. 

Not everyone wanted a Conservative government and Cameron in power but you deal with it and move on. 

It's time to hope for the best but I'm sure we'll be ok in the long run.

Good post, there is obviously going to be a lot of knee jerk reaction but the bottom line is we were strong before the EU and we will be fine after it. All the posturing and threats leading up to this are gone now and it's time to deal with it like adults, not just here but across Europe as well.

I just hope we beat Iceland and don't leave Europe twice in 5 days

whatsgoingon wrote:

Bwfc1958 wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:This is a disastrous day for the UK. Our kids and grandkids will pay the price for our myopia and xenophobia in a big, big way for a very long time to come.

I fully expect to see a second Scottish Independence referendum within three years given that they voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU and this time the SNP will walk it. Northern Ireland will also want to go its own way as they too voted massively in favour of Remain. It's not just economically catastrophic, it probably spells the end of Great Britain itself. Within a decade I can see us being four tinpot little countries with no real influence or power anywhere in the world.

Those of you crowing about "victory for freedom" might want to make a note of this date because this is the day the UK died.

I can see why people are worried, I voted remain myself because I don't like the massive uncertainty and sometimes if you're not sure what to do, it's a case of better the devil you know, but saying stuff like, 'this is the day the UK died' maybe a bit over the top. 

It might take a few years to balance out while we renegotiate trade deals etc but in time, once the dust has settled, we can come out of the other side and remain strong. 

The arse dropping out of the value of the pound is worrying short term and understandably so, and there's also the worry of the EU trying to punish us for this decision and what moron we'll end up with as PM is anyone's guess, but at the end of the day, it's the will of the people, and for better or worse we'll get through it. 

Not everyone wanted a Conservative government and Cameron in power but you deal with it and move on. 

It's time to hope for the best but I'm sure we'll be ok in the long run.

Good post, there is obviously going to be a lot of knee jerk reaction but the bottom line is we were strong before the EU and we will be fine after it. All the posturing and threats leading up to this are gone now and it's time to deal with it like adults, not just here but across Europe as well.

I just hope we beat Iceland and don't leave Europe twice in 5 days

Just because we were strong in 1973 doesn't really provide much of a guide to how we will fare in 2016 and beyond.

There are enough intelligent people in this country to run it perfectly well. Time will tell but I believe it was the right decision to leave. The idea of a Federal Europe never sat well with me so I'm all for us having our own self determination in the future.

Found this to be a helpful explanation of the aftermath. 

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21701264-britain-has-voted-leave-eu-what-follows-will-be-new-prime-minister-volatile-financial

Reebok Trotter wrote:There are enough intelligent people in this country to run it perfectly well. Time will tell but I believe it was the right decision to leave. The idea of a Federal Europe never sat well with me so I'm all for us having our own self determination in the future.

While I do see your point about a Federal Europe I think the Remain campaign massively failed to deal with all the rhetoric about "un-elected bureaucrats" running the continent. The fact is they are no different in principle to our own Civil Service. They do answer to elected officials called MEP's in the same way our Civil Service is answerable to Parliament and their mandate was to carry out the policies the European Parliament promulgated and agreed on. Were they always good policies? No, not by any means but Westminster has come up with plenty of horror shows of its own that the Civil Service has then been blamed for.

When you have any large body, be it a nation or a bloc of nations then some people are always going to feel left out because the responsibility of any government is to serve the best interests of its people as a whole. Obviously no government can keep all the people happy all the time so it has to work to the benefit of the majority of its constituents, be that a Local Council running a small town all the way up to (for example) the Congress and Senate of the United States. What the Leave campaign managed to do was paint the EU version of the Civil Service as a group of shadowy self serving mandarins who were all out to stick it to Britain while giving all the best bits to Germany, France, Italy and of course those swarthy East European types who all came here to steal our jobs and corrupt our daughters.

What the Remain campaign should have done is tell it like it is. They should have pointed out the parallels between the Civil Service and the EU staff. Of course there were more of them in Brussels because that Civil Service works for twenty six countries not just one.

Personally I believe the EU moved too far too fast, it was intended to be a trading bloc but the fact is that for such an entity to work certain laws had to be enacted that applied to all member states if only so everyone knew what was expected of them and everyone was on a level playing field.

But make no mistake, this decision is going to cost us a lot more than you might think, both in terms of trade and in terms of influence. Pretty soon I can see the EU itself disintegrating entirely and then Western Europe will be a bunch of little nations stuck between three massive nuclear armed powers. Brexit was very good news for Russia and China in particular and while people might not see it yet it seriously weakened us all including NATO. The results of last night's vote will rumble on for a very long time and I think our kids and grandkids will have good reason to berate us all for our shortsighted, xenophobic decision.

What puzzles me is how people can be so convinced of the rightness of their stance on such complex issues.

It seems to me that there are so many conflicting advantages and disadvantages as to make certainty over how to cast a vote almost impossible. I include in this all the politicians and "experts" who seemed to be using guesswork, lies and exaggeration to convince us one way or another.

What I do know is that the campaign was conducted in an appalling manner that shamed politics and the individuals involved. How uplifting it would have been for a politician to admit that he/she found it impossible to make a decision, balancing the pros and cons soberly. "Abstain" needs to be an option on the ballot paper to give a genuine picture of the electorate's views.

okocha wrote:What puzzles me is how people can be so convinced of the rightness of their stance on such complex issues.

It seems to me that there are so many conflicting advantages and disadvantages as to make certainty over how to cast a vote almost impossible. 

My thoughts exactly.

I've no problem with anyone who voted leave as like i said i almost did. But the problem lies with the reason people voted leave.

People from the eu, Polish being the main,  come here to work and earn a living. They are the ones who are now left in a quandary. 

The ones who come here to milk the system (while not all) are from outside the eu.  Voting leave or in won't affect this, other than we may well lose some good hard workers note who prop up a lot of uk businesses.

One of the first to be hit hard will be construction.  Both by potentially losing a hard working work force but also they are all BRITISH companies.

If this is the case the knock on to all the other british companies who provide services and products to this industry will also be affected. Like me. 

Last week we was looking at opening our first office.  This week we are wondering if we will still have one next week

I see Farage has now admitted on Good Morning Britain that the promise to spend £350m a week on the NHS was a "mistake" and that there is no such guarantee. Funny he never mentioned it until after the votes had been counted.

I think people are overstating the whole dilemma facing people already here, I don't think there are going to be widespread deportations like some people are suggesting. I work in a business with many Polish people and they aren't worried in the least as there is no suggestion anywhere that they are on a hit list to deport, but people who are here and not working or contributing should be worried and rightly so.
This isn't about xenophobia like the self righteous on here would like you to believe to justify why they are right, it's about choice and the right to choose who comes into the country and to instigate a work permit system and to manage numbers all the things we currently have no rights to.
All the indignant remain voters are now looking to paint everyone as uneducated and xenophobic because they disagree with their views, the arrogance behind that is staggering.
If this was just about racism then Farage would be PM and UKIP would hold a majority of seats, they don't so it isn't.
There is going to panic and uncertainty for sure but once the dust settles I don't believe the changes will be as cataclysmic as is being suggested, we will still make things the EU wants and they will still buy them, they will still make things we want and we will still buy them. People will still look to move to the UK and if they have the ability to contribute they will still be invited in.
Once the panic has subsided in the financial markets that will get back to normal because the financial markets because of technology are very much all intrinsically linked with each other through technology and world wide trading.
This in my opinion will also cause the members of the EU to look at themselves and how they are run because this also sends a strong message to them.

The 350 million quid a week was a complete fabrication to begin with. We don't spend anything like that on the EU either as a gross or net figure. In fact until about ten years ago we got more OUT of the EU than we put in because we got huge rebates and tax incentives that more than offset our capital contribution.

The true figure is somewhere around 40 million a week net and while that's admittedly two billion quid a year we make more than that back thanks to things like zero or token tariffs on many of our exports. By the way, those of you who like popping over to France for duty free booze, fags and the like had better stock up while you can because once Brexit is achieved that will end and the price of German, Italian and other European cars will climb very sharply because they'll be subject to much higher import duties.

Boris has just been on trying to sound Prime Ministerial.

He always reminds me of Jack Nicklaus on monkey glands.

Now it's bloody Gove. One man in search of a chin.

Some random thoughts from me if anybody wants to read them.

First the Nuts 'tweetgate'.  Nuts was created for us to have a bit of fun and to share with others.  I don't believe 'we' should be promoting any views (for or against) on any serious matter (political, religious, financial etc.) no matter how much any individual feels about them - we aren't here to do that - we are simply a forum that is 'open' to hearing those views, even arguing amongst ourselves and leaving it at that.

If I had been around yesterday I would probably simply found and retweeted a 'remain' tweet to restore the balance to the tweet that had already gone out.

Nuts (which includes our twitter site) is run exclusively through peoples goodwill and the donating of their time, effort and skills to make the place what it is and someone simply expressed their personal view and opinion on twitter rather than on the forum.

It was in my opinion a simple mistake, that had I been about could easily have been rectified without any fuss or bother at all.

As no one at all reads Nuts tweets hoping to gain any political guidance at all, I strongly suspect that the Nuts retweet of 'leave' had no impact what so ever on the seismic outcome of the referendum.

It happened, I rather it hadn't but it wasn't done maliciously, wasn't intended as anything other than the view of a good man simply giving his time and energy to Nuts and had no effect on the outcome of the result or those who voted in it what so ever.

Sorry if it upset anybody.


As for the referendum outcome, I think it was simply the price that was paid for the politicians and businesses not listening to the rank and file electorate in respect of immigration.

Yes businesses want cheap labour in order to keep production costs down and contribute to their profit line.  Yes the Government wanted free movement of cheap skilled labour from EU country's to supply this.  But the  general public who had to suffer the effects of this massive influx of immigrants in a relative short period of time impacting on their lives in terms of housing, health, transport, education, etc in the main didn't.

The warning was there in plain view in the strong show of support UKIP had enjoyed in the European elections and who where only kept out of national general election support because they were perceived to be a 'racist' party.

The referendum gave people a chance to vote how they have wanted to do in the past but have been deterred from over this racism stigma.


I also wonder if this is the beginning of the end for the EU itself?  There is without doubt similar feeling throughout Europe to of peoples unease with the changing demographics they have seen in recent years - note the massive U-turn even Germany has done over migration in the last twelve months from 'everybody welcome' and the scenes of hundreds of thousands pouring into Europe from Syria, etc trampling to the 'deal' to get Turkey to 'stop' them coming in this.

The 'nationalist' party's in Europe are tainted with fascism and racism historically but it hasn't seem to have stopped them from suddenly becoming more popular to many in recent years.

Maybe people will see what has happened here yesterday and start to think whether it would be time for them to turn their back on the EU also despite what their governments (and business) may want?

Sluffy wrote:I also wonder if this is the beginning of the end for the EU itself?  There is without doubt similar feeling throughout Europe to of peoples unease with the changing demographics they have seen in recent years - note the massive U-turn even Germany has done over migration in the last twelve months from 'everybody welcome' and the scenes of hundreds of thousands pouring into Europe from Syria, etc trampling to the 'deal' to get Turkey to 'stop' them coming in this.

The 'nationalist' party's in Europe are tainted with fascism and racism historically but it hasn't seem to have stopped them from suddenly becoming more popular to many in recent years.

Maybe people will see what has happened here yesterday and start to think whether it would be time for them to turn their back on the EU also despite what their governments (and business) may want?

I don't think it will be the absolute end for the EU but I think you're right in that it will lead to reform because this will send out a message.
You're also right in that the growing popularity of perceived right wing parties should have been used as a barometer before now about people's feelings on open borders and immigration and been addressed before it got to this point, the result of the referendum would have been different had it been.
My personal view is in time this will lead to a very different and ultimately stronger Europe which will include the UK, and will be based on relationships but without all the legislation and red tape.

there will be a domino effect in Europe, with lots of other countries asking for a referendum of their own. I voted Remain but on the basis that it was better to be inside trying to make changes than to be left alone staring in. 

I've never been a fan of the European parliament and all that goes with it but they did bring in legislation around working hours and maternity pay that the UK would never have brought in themselves and have benefited almost everyone in this country. If it had stayed as a common trade agreement as it was in 1973 then we wouldn't have even needed a referendum.

Now with Cameron stepping down that brings the very real and frightening prospect of someone like Boris, Theresa May or Gove taking over being PM.

The only silver lining in all this is that toad Farage will soon be out of a job and hopefully the rest of his poisonous party disappear with him. The amount of stuff i've read on social media issued by UKIP in the last few months has been racist in general and just downright lies