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Soul Kitchen wrote:The country will go to rat shit!!
People's attitudes towards other people and other folk's property and privacy has long changed. You and I are both aware of that given our ages and unfortunately it's every man for himself in the jungle. 
As an adage your own personal morals have to take a hit on certain occasions in order to prevent agro and that is a stress in itself!

Am I allowed to blame Thatcher for all this again at this point?

She started this bollocks in the 80's with her "greed is good and fuck everybody else" policies and we're now paying the price.

Bread2.0 wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:The country will go to rat shit!!
People's attitudes towards other people and other folk's property and privacy has long changed. You and I are both aware of that given our ages and unfortunately it's every man for himself in the jungle. 
As an adage your own personal morals have to take a hit on certain occasions in order to prevent agro and that is a stress in itself!

Am I allowed to blame Thatcher for all this again at this point?

She started this bollocks in the 80's with her "greed is good and fuck everybody else" policies and we're now paying the price.

Are you bollocks.
It's not just in this country that social attitudes are changing. There are a whole host of environmental and societal factors contributing to changes in attitudes to most things. Thatcher is history- people who voted for her in her first pitch at being prime minister are now approaching their 50s and beyond. She's water under the bridge and you can't keep blaming her for everything that has gone wrong since.
Since her we've had two Labour PMs (Blair and Brown) and two Tory prime ministers  (Major and Cameron) and now another Tory who's still new to the job.
Most things have changed and not for the better. I'm no Thatcherite but there has been plenty of time and opportunity to get things righty again since her era.
But a series of weak governments have been  impotent in making any substantial changes to the attitudinal structures and mindsets that dominate Britain today.
 If you really want someone to blame- then blame Blair

But Blair just copied her.

So if she hadn't started it all, Blair wouldn't have had anyone to copy.

So I'm still blaming her.

Bread2.0 wrote:But Blair just copied her.

So if she hadn't started it all, Blair wouldn't have had anyone to copy.

So I'm still blaming her.

He was supposed to be a politician with a new vision- remember New Labour!
He had the opportunity to reverse Thatcherite policy, but he didn't  His mate Brown was a disaster - you still can't blame Thatcher if the political elite can't come up with anybody who can stamp their authority and political thinking on the country . Blair had about 10 years to do so, and Brown had 4 years. That's 14 years to change things and all they did was fanny around at the edges.
Don't blame Thatcher for our problems. She resigned in 1990- that's 26 years for other PMs to get it right- and they haven't.

What I was initially saying was, she made it socially acceptable (along with Rocket Ron in The States) to shaft the next guy if you thought you could make a quick buck.

And that created this culture of looking after number one with no regard for anybody else.

And it's that which is biting the (western) world on the arse now.

I know it's not all her fault, but I seriously think her desire to nick the Labour Party's core vote by convincing them that they were actually "aspirational Tories" who were entitled to more out of life and would get it if they voted Conservative has had a lasting effect on our society.

And it was quite a clever trick because it hamstrung any future Labour leaders (like the ones you mention) because they all now have to play the game and that's how we wound up with fucking Tory Lite New Labour and all that bollocks.

She was an evil genius and her legacy lives on.

I tend to agree with Bread on this one. Selling off all the council houses was a complete disaster and partly set the tone for what has followed.

As for Blair, I'm glad that he instituted some civilising policies (don't mention the war!), such as the extensive regeneration of the cities, making fox-hunting illegal, and banning smoking in public places.

What a difference these have made.....or would have done if huntsmen had got off their high horses (!) and deigned to obey the law!

okocha wrote:I tend to agree with Bread on this one. Selling off all the council houses was a complete disaster and partly set the tone for what has followed.

As for Blair, I'm glad that he instituted some civilising policies (don't mention the war!), such as the extensive regeneration of the cities, making fox-hunting illegal, and banning smoking in public places.

What a difference these have made.....or would have done if huntsmen had got off their high horses (!) and deigned to obey the law!

The biggest legacy of Thatcher was selling off our offshore gas and oil assets so that now we have to buy our own oil and gas back at inflated prices, finishing off our industries so we have to import more than we export and establishing the precedent of borrowing beyond our means to pay for it. She single-handedly turned a once proud manufacturing industrial nation into a service industry dependent on other countries.
And we'll pay for it forever more.

Bread2.0 wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:The country will go to rat shit!!
People's attitudes towards other people and other folk's property and privacy has long changed. You and I are both aware of that given our ages and unfortunately it's every man for himself in the jungle. 
As an adage your own personal morals have to take a hit on certain occasions in order to prevent agro and that is a stress in itself!

Am I allowed to blame Thatcher for all this again at this point?

She started this bollocks in the 80's with her "greed is good and fuck everybody else" policies and we're now paying the price.

Yes, Thatcher was the start of the selfish era in my lifetime! Some cnuts actually think she was good for them and the country. What folk forget is she got where she got on her back!!!