HomeIt's a hard one! If you are meant to be the official opposition, and are meant to be holding the government to account and disagree with their agenda, it's quite hard to be offered the chance to stand against the incumbents and turn it down. It's kind of admitting you are unprepared and don't think you can win...Bread2.0 wrote:Unless I'm being really, really thick (go on, Whittam - Have at it!), given that she needs a 2/3 majority of support in parliament even to get the election ratified, why on earth isn't Jezza simply getting his 3 line whip out and blocking it?
Surely to god he can't think that there are substantial gains to be made in 5 weeks?
It'll be a disaster for Labour and, as Lusty's already said, it'll cement May and the Tories' position and make them even more powerful.
What am I missing?
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31 Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue 18 Apr - 18:46
Chairmanda
Andy Walker
32 Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue 18 Apr - 18:56
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Chairmanda wrote:It's a hard one! If you are meant to be the official opposition, and are meant to be holding the government to account and disagree with their agenda, it's quite hard to be offered the chance to stand against the incumbents and turn it down. It's kind of admitting you are unprepared and don't think you can win...Bread2.0 wrote:Unless I'm being really, really thick (go on, Whittam - Have at it!), given that she needs a 2/3 majority of support in parliament even to get the election ratified, why on earth isn't Jezza simply getting his 3 line whip out and blocking it?
Surely to god he can't think that there are substantial gains to be made in 5 weeks?
It'll be a disaster for Labour and, as Lusty's already said, it'll cement May and the Tories' position and make them even more powerful.
What am I missing?
It's not exactly a secret that Labour are unprepared and don't think they can win, so logically Corbyn should have refused to go along with May's u turn on holding an immediate election.
33 Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue 18 Apr - 19:13
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
Come on, guys.....we've got much more important things to worry about this evening!
34 Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue 18 Apr - 23:09
Chairmanda
Andy Walker
It's been a worry filled day all round!okocha wrote:Come on, guys.....we've got much more important things to worry about this evening!
35 Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue 18 Apr - 23:53
Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Corbyn is a deluded old twat and won't resign when Labour get battered! He'll tuck his shirt in his Grundys and say "better luck next time!"xmiles wrote:Bread2.0 wrote:Unless I'm being really, really thick (go on, Whittam - Have at it!), given that she needs a 2/3 majority of support in parliament even to get the election ratified, why on earth isn't Jezza simply getting his 3 line whip out and blocking it?
Surely to god he can't think that there are substantial gains to be made in 5 weeks?
It'll be a disaster for Labour and, as Lusty's already said, it'll cement May and the Tories' position and make them even more powerful.
What am I missing?
The fact that Corbyn is an idiot.
36 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 10:39
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Chairmanda wrote:It's been a worry filled day all round!okocha wrote:Come on, guys.....we've got much more important things to worry about this evening!
Not sure what you're worried about Manda. The way this is going, May has just handed the LibDems a lifeline which will substantially increase your parliamentary representation and maybe even position the LibDems as the main opposition party ahead of Labour - providing the PR and marketing is good enough to push the requisite buttons.
Not sure that focussing entirely on being the only party to vote for if you want a soft Brexit is the best way to go as it's polarising and emotive, but breaking that down into policy-related specifics could be a winner. Talk NHS and public services, employment, education and specifics that affect people's lives rather than "macros" like Brexit and the economy and you'll do well.
Might also be worthwhile listening to the Greens who are currently campaigning to stop the renewal of Trident - over £200 BILLION - at a time when the rest of the world (not UK!) is discussing nuclear disarmament. It's not just the hypocrisy of saying to North Korea stop weapons testing when we're about to spend more than DOUBLE the NHS budget with our conservative backers in the arms industry, it's the fact that we are doing this when the NHS and social care services are being slashed.
37 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 10:59
Chairmanda
Andy Walker
Well said wanders. The logistics and organisation of running a professional and successful GE campaign with a largely voluntary organisation, are challenging. Yesterday, in the immediate aftermath of the announcement, think I was more focussed on solving the problems, not the opportunities. Bring it on.
38 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 11:01
RustyNail
Nicky Hunt
Now that the letter has been delivered is it still possible to reverse the Brexit decision?
If so an obvious ploy for the opposition parties would be to pledge to reverse the decision. There is a big 48% of voters up for grabs and i think people would feel strongly enough on this issue to switch party allegiance. Maybe the reverse is not possible at this point though?
If so an obvious ploy for the opposition parties would be to pledge to reverse the decision. There is a big 48% of voters up for grabs and i think people would feel strongly enough on this issue to switch party allegiance. Maybe the reverse is not possible at this point though?
39 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 11:37
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
I agree with all of that, Lusty. Suspend Trident renewal, stop HS2 and we suddenly have all the money we need to protect services, do away with all the cuts and stop the Tories picking on the disadvantaged and poor.wanderlust wrote:Chairmanda wrote:It's been a worry filled day all round!okocha wrote:Come on, guys.....we've got much more important things to worry about this evening!
Not sure what you're worried about Manda. The way this is going, May has just handed the LibDems a lifeline which will substantially increase your parliamentary representation and maybe even position the LibDems as the main opposition party ahead of Labour - providing the PR and marketing is good enough to push the requisite buttons.
Not sure that focussing entirely on being the only party to vote for if you want a soft Brexit is the best way to go as it's polarising and emotive, but breaking that down into policy-related specifics could be a winner. Talk NHS and public services, employment, education and specifics that affect people's lives rather than "macros" like Brexit and the economy and you'll do well.
Might also be worthwhile listening to the Greens who are currently campaigning to stop the renewal of Trident - over £200 BILLION - at a time when the rest of the world (not UK!) is discussing nuclear disarmament. It's not just the hypocrisy of saying to North Korea stop weapons testing when we're about to spend more than DOUBLE the NHS budget with our conservative backers in the arms industry, it's the fact that we are doing this when the NHS and social care services are being slashed.
BTW: I liked this little poem from Pam Ayres about the snap election:
The shock wave passed; the dust is clearing,
Seven weeks electioneering
Rhetoric, hot air and gas,
I'm on my way to Dignitas
40 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 11:37
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
wanderlust wrote:Chairmanda wrote:It's been a worry filled day all round!okocha wrote:Come on, guys.....we've got much more important things to worry about this evening!
Not sure what you're worried about Manda. The way this is going, May has just handed the LibDems a lifeline which will substantially increase your parliamentary representation and maybe even position the LibDems as the main opposition party ahead of Labour - providing the PR and marketing is good enough to push the requisite buttons.
Not sure that focussing entirely on being the only party to vote for if you want a soft Brexit is the best way to go as it's polarising and emotive, but breaking that down into policy-related specifics could be a winner. Talk NHS and public services, employment, education and specifics that affect people's lives rather than "macros" like Brexit and the economy and you'll do well.
Might also be worthwhile listening to the Greens who are currently campaigning to stop the renewal of Trident - over £200 BILLION - at a time when the rest of the world (not UK!) is discussing nuclear disarmament. It's not just the hypocrisy of saying to North Korea stop weapons testing when we're about to spend more than DOUBLE the NHS budget with our conservative backers in the arms industry, it's the fact that we are doing this when the NHS and social care services are being slashed.
I agree. One can only hope that the election will be about these topics but given the combination of Corbyn's inability to provide a credible lead and the right wing press hysteria about brexit (eg the Daily Mail headline today - Crush the Saboteurs) I am not optimistic.
41 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 13:19
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
May is currently facing MPs and there is little doubt that she's still trying to ride the referendum wave by making this election about Brexit.
In essence she's implying that anyone who doesn't vote Toerag is being unpatriotic.
I do hope that the other parties don't take the bait and focus on what Britain will look like after we leave the EU instead of the process.
Sadly I don't think the eurosceptics can see past that oversimplified argument so all the social issues that need to be addressed will be sidelined, even though the Leave demographic shows that they are the ones most likely to be affected.
Dennis Skinner's request that the Tory MPs still under investigation for fiddling election expenses at the last election be deselected is amusing as that would wipe out half of the Tory party, but at least we wouldn't be governed by cheating liars for a while.
In essence she's implying that anyone who doesn't vote Toerag is being unpatriotic.
I do hope that the other parties don't take the bait and focus on what Britain will look like after we leave the EU instead of the process.
Sadly I don't think the eurosceptics can see past that oversimplified argument so all the social issues that need to be addressed will be sidelined, even though the Leave demographic shows that they are the ones most likely to be affected.
Dennis Skinner's request that the Tory MPs still under investigation for fiddling election expenses at the last election be deselected is amusing as that would wipe out half of the Tory party, but at least we wouldn't be governed by cheating liars for a while.
43 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 15:20
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Not a lot of Norfolk on that list
44 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 15:32
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
I'm not looking forward to several weeks of xmiles anti-Tory crap. Please can someone ban him.
45 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 15:53
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Nat Lofthouse
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you could say May is the secret lovechild of Jimmy Saville and Margaret Thatcher and she would still romp home in front of Jezza i'm afraid.
46 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 17:04
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
I will be voting Conservative for the first time.
47 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 17:08
Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Natasha Whittam wrote:
I'm not looking forward to several weeks of xmiles anti-Tory crap. Please can someone ban him.
48 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 17:32
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Hipster_Nebula wrote:I will be voting Conservative for the first time.
Why?
49 Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed 19 Apr - 17:51
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
xmiles wrote:Hipster_Nebula wrote:I will be voting Conservative for the first time.
Why?
Because the SNP have lied to the people of Scotland and followed Labour down the pits of sanctimonious holier than thou socialist grievance culture protest party CRAP.
at this point the Conservatives are the only party with any interest in hard working British people.
50 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu 20 Apr - 11:24
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
The SNP are saying the election is about Scottish independence and they'll be fighting it on the basis of earning the right to have another referendum.Hipster_Nebula wrote:xmiles wrote:Hipster_Nebula wrote:I will be voting Conservative for the first time.
Why?
Because the SNP have lied to the people of Scotland and followed Labour down the pits of sanctimonious holier than thou socialist grievance culture protest party CRAP.
at this point the Conservatives are the only party with any interest in hard working British people.
The Tories are saying the election is about having a mandate to negotiate a hard Brexit.
Everybody else is saying that the Brexit issue is just a decoy to take attention away from the Government's piss poor performance and undelivered promises from the last election.
What are Scottish voters actually going to be voting on?
For that matter, what are English voters actually going to be voting on?
Seems to me nobody can agree what the issues are so I guess it will be left up to the media to tell us again.
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