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62 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu Apr 20 2017, 17:01
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
I'm still gobsmacked at some of the things they actually promised. Bringing back fox hunting FFS? Scrapping the Human Rights Act?
The Human Rights Act is a UK law passed in 1998. It means that you can defend your rights in the UK courts and that public organisations (including the Government, the Police and local councils) must treat everyone equally, with fairness, dignity and respect.
What possible motive have they got for scrapping that?
Perhaps their piss poor performance is a good thing in this case?
The Human Rights Act is a UK law passed in 1998. It means that you can defend your rights in the UK courts and that public organisations (including the Government, the Police and local councils) must treat everyone equally, with fairness, dignity and respect.
What possible motive have they got for scrapping that?
Perhaps their piss poor performance is a good thing in this case?
63 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu Apr 20 2017, 17:12
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
okocha wrote:Wander and co: you are in perfect harmony with my own way of thinking. Kindred spirits on this issue.
You should seek therapy.
64 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu Apr 20 2017, 17:16
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
2015 Conservative manifesto:
Despite a smattering of new spending pledges on everything from childcare to housebuilding, tackling the deficit still dominates the section of the Conservatives’ manifesto headed “A strong economy to help you and your family”
The document repeats George Osborne’s budget pledge for £30bn of spending cuts over the next two years, and warns that “failing to control our debt would be more than an economic failing; it would be a moral failing”.
Roll forward a year and the new Tory Chancellor Hammond, having failed to meet any of George Osborne's fiscal targets announces that public borrowing will have to be an astonishing £122 BILLION more than the Tories had estimated.
So to use the Chancellor's own words, was that economic failing, moral failing or both Phillip?
Or was it still Labour's fault?
Or is the fact that you couldn't manage your way out of a wet paper bag not the point because Government is all about breaksit?
Despite a smattering of new spending pledges on everything from childcare to housebuilding, tackling the deficit still dominates the section of the Conservatives’ manifesto headed “A strong economy to help you and your family”
The document repeats George Osborne’s budget pledge for £30bn of spending cuts over the next two years, and warns that “failing to control our debt would be more than an economic failing; it would be a moral failing”.
Roll forward a year and the new Tory Chancellor Hammond, having failed to meet any of George Osborne's fiscal targets announces that public borrowing will have to be an astonishing £122 BILLION more than the Tories had estimated.
So to use the Chancellor's own words, was that economic failing, moral failing or both Phillip?
Or was it still Labour's fault?
Or is the fact that you couldn't manage your way out of a wet paper bag not the point because Government is all about breaksit?
65 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu Apr 20 2017, 17:43
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
I phoned the surgery for an appointment this morning.
Two weeks. Christ,I'll be better by then.
Receptionist grilled me as to why I wanted to see the doctor,and I politely explained that it was none of her sodding business.
I've decided to take the road to herbal healing.
Two weeks. Christ,I'll be better by then.
Receptionist grilled me as to why I wanted to see the doctor,and I politely explained that it was none of her sodding business.
I've decided to take the road to herbal healing.
66 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu Apr 20 2017, 19:16
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
Ironically, my job provides therapy. You are welcome to an appointment.Natasha Whittam wrote:okocha wrote:Wander and co: you are in perfect harmony with my own way of thinking. Kindred spirits on this issue.
You should seek therapy.
No special rate for Wanderers fans. Chorley fans are double, however.
67 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu Apr 20 2017, 21:21
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
okocha wrote:Ironically, my job provides therapy. You are welcome to an appointment.Natasha Whittam wrote:okocha wrote:Wander and co: you are in perfect harmony with my own way of thinking. Kindred spirits on this issue.
You should seek therapy.
No special rate for Wanderers fans. Chorley fans are double, however.
68 Re: General Election - 8th June. Thu Apr 20 2017, 21:25
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
okocha wrote:Ironically, my job provides therapy. You are welcome to an appointment.
Canal Street I presume?
69 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 11:03
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Biggest fall in retail sales in 7 years.
...for all types of goods apart from clothing, shoes and textiles.
Just goes to show that rising prices are starting to affect everyone apart from my missus although TBF she hasn't bought any textiles this week.
We're well on our way to the predicted 2.4% shrinkage of our economy although this wasn't anticipated to be reached until we have actually left the EU (based on the Government managing to secure trade deals of equal value to the ones we currently have)
The Office of National Statistics state that average store prices have increased 3.3% on the year - the largest rise since 2012 - and that petrol prices have risen 16.4% this year - which reflects the devaluation of sterling.
Twirls remain unaffected although it is expected they'll be a twentieth of their current size by October.
...for all types of goods apart from clothing, shoes and textiles.
Just goes to show that rising prices are starting to affect everyone apart from my missus although TBF she hasn't bought any textiles this week.
We're well on our way to the predicted 2.4% shrinkage of our economy although this wasn't anticipated to be reached until we have actually left the EU (based on the Government managing to secure trade deals of equal value to the ones we currently have)
The Office of National Statistics state that average store prices have increased 3.3% on the year - the largest rise since 2012 - and that petrol prices have risen 16.4% this year - which reflects the devaluation of sterling.
Twirls remain unaffected although it is expected they'll be a twentieth of their current size by October.
70 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 11:24
Bwfc1958
Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
Theresa May well received in Bolton....
71 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 13:33
finlaymcdanger
Frank Worthington
I barely know where to start now that I can vote here again. I'm going to start with Labour unless I can be convinced that there is a better alternative in the coming weeks. Unlikely I'm guessing.
72 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 13:46
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
It seems that the average working class man on the street has given up on Labour, the main issue being that they allowed unchecked immigration in the Blair/Brown eras and are now seen as being left wing champgane socialists who don't care about the working classes anymore.
I'm fed up of this election already as my facebook feed has gone into overdrive now with people i once thought were fairly sensible, spouting the things mentioned above and wanting that idiot Farage to be MP and generally being very right wing
I'm fed up of this election already as my facebook feed has gone into overdrive now with people i once thought were fairly sensible, spouting the things mentioned above and wanting that idiot Farage to be MP and generally being very right wing
73 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 14:04
Bread2.0
Andy Walker
This almost slipped under the radar when it first came out but now that there's an election imminent, it needs re-posting:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html
Do...not...vote...Tory.....ever.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html
Do...not...vote...Tory.....ever.
74 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 14:08
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Bread2.0 wrote:Do...not...vote...Tory.....ever.
I think you might be disappointed come the 8th June.
75 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 14:09
Bread2.0
Andy Walker
More than likely, but that said, why should June 8th be any different to any other day in my life?
76 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 14:13
Sluffy
Admin
Labour is unelectable under Corbyn.
It's as simple as that really.
Even most of the Labour MP's know that and that is why they've tried their best to get rid of him since he was appointed.
Nearly all of his first shadow cabinet has since quit it - and Andy Burnham who was second to Corbyn when selected, is now even quitting as an MP.
Labour will lose votes in this election - but maybe not that many actual seats as many are electorally 'safe'.
I would imagine UKIP votes will fall and Lib Dem will rise - with the Conservatives making the most gains because of this.
Smart move by May to call an election if for no other reason that everything has changed since the last general election just two years ago - with both the principle architects of the manifesto - Cameron and Osborne not standing this time.
It will strengthen her right to govern and to take on Brexit in the way she wants to do it.
I think ultimately that that is a good thing.
Somebody needs to take charge at times like this.
As you simply can't please everyone all the time.
Shame Cameron led us into this needless mess anyway, just to deal with some in-house political point scoring within his party.
It's as simple as that really.
Even most of the Labour MP's know that and that is why they've tried their best to get rid of him since he was appointed.
Nearly all of his first shadow cabinet has since quit it - and Andy Burnham who was second to Corbyn when selected, is now even quitting as an MP.
Labour will lose votes in this election - but maybe not that many actual seats as many are electorally 'safe'.
I would imagine UKIP votes will fall and Lib Dem will rise - with the Conservatives making the most gains because of this.
Smart move by May to call an election if for no other reason that everything has changed since the last general election just two years ago - with both the principle architects of the manifesto - Cameron and Osborne not standing this time.
It will strengthen her right to govern and to take on Brexit in the way she wants to do it.
I think ultimately that that is a good thing.
Somebody needs to take charge at times like this.
As you simply can't please everyone all the time.
Shame Cameron led us into this needless mess anyway, just to deal with some in-house political point scoring within his party.
77 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 14:35
Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
The various opposition parties like to say that May has no mandate to govern.
Well come the 8th June she will have a mandate and hopefully a majority of 50 - 100 seats.
She can then get on with negotiating our exit from the EU , without the spoiling tactics of the people who don't seem to understand that the electorate voted for Brexit.
Well come the 8th June she will have a mandate and hopefully a majority of 50 - 100 seats.
She can then get on with negotiating our exit from the EU , without the spoiling tactics of the people who don't seem to understand that the electorate voted for Brexit.
78 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 16:06
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
The Tories won't rest until they have privatised the NHS, the bastardsBread2.0 wrote:This almost slipped under the radar when it first came out but now that there's an election imminent, it needs re-posting:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html
Do...not...vote...Tory.....ever.
79 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 16:48
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
I think everybody has got the hang of the fact that we are leaving the EU by now so if anyone needs to move on it's the Tories who keep conveniently harking back to it instead of talking about what's actually happening in the country.Cajunboy wrote:The various opposition parties like to say that May has no mandate to govern.
Well come the 8th June she will have a mandate and hopefully a majority of 50 - 100 seats.
She can then get on with negotiating our exit from the EU , without the spoiling tactics of the people who don't seem to understand that the electorate voted for Brexit.
Surely this election is about what Britain wants to be, but the Tories are trying to make it about Brexit and not the real issues they are failing us on so at best it's a decoy.
Being out of the EU is a symptom, not a solution and we need to have a serious dialogue about jobs, health, education, services and what we're aiming for.
80 Re: General Election - 8th June. Fri Apr 21 2017, 18:48
Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
I totally agree with you.wanderlust wrote:I think everybody has got the hang of the fact that we are leaving the EU by now so if anyone needs to move on it's the Tories who keep conveniently harking back to it instead of talking about what's actually happening in the country.Cajunboy wrote:The various opposition parties like to say that May has no mandate to govern.
Well come the 8th June she will have a mandate and hopefully a majority of 50 - 100 seats.
She can then get on with negotiating our exit from the EU , without the spoiling tactics of the people who don't seem to understand that the electorate voted for Brexit.
Surely this election is about what Britain wants to be, but the Tories are trying to make it about Brexit and not the real issues they are failing us on so at best it's a decoy.
Being out of the EU is a symptom, not a solution and we need to have a serious dialogue about jobs, health, education, services and what we're aiming for.
The so called bed -blocking caused by the lack of investment in social care is continually swept under the carpet. All the problems of people living longer, but with more health problems is a massive subject, that should be confronted by and across all parties and should not be a political football. Sadly it will remain a political football.
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