Brexit negotiations

The point is XM, why are they not being presented to the public as was every other so-called catastrophic or calamitous set of figures. I suspect that people are jumping on the terminology bandwagon, without knowing the facts. A practice that has been going on throughout this whole procedure, by both sides. 
I quite believe we will hear less from Thornberry now that she won't be able to spout her favourite '6 tests' every time she is interviewed. (I don't know if she is capable of learning new phrases or ideas very quickly, so we may have a respite from her face-pulling and eye-rolling antics).

Good points. I don't always like Kuenssberg's reporting, feeling that she is sometimes too biased in her approach. At the end of the day, some of the changes mooted could be the end of Parliament as we know it, especially when people such as Bercow is prepared to throw out time tested tradition in favour of his own personal views.

We won't leave. Don't know why this is still being discussed.

It's a quite naked stitch up.

I’m buying a yellow vest in preparation.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:We won't leave. Don't know why this is still being discussed.

It's a quite naked stitch up.

If it is, it has an ironic symmetry with the 2016 referendum, the biggest stitch up in memory.

The upside is that only a quarter of the population will be arsed about it.

karlypants wrote:I’m buying a yellow vest in preparation.

I've ordered mine already.

I'm getting a gas mask too for when it turns nasty.

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:We won't leave. Don't know why this is still being discussed.

It's a quite naked stitch up.

If it is, it has an ironic symmetry with the 2016 referendum, the biggest stitch up in memory.

The upside is that only a quarter of the population will be arsed about it.

That may be so, but friends that I considered sane and upstanding citizens are already foaming at the mouth on Faceache and Twatter about burning down the Houses of Parliament and suchlike if we don't "just leave now".

Did anyone else notice the irony of Theresa May's visit to the Pottery in Stoke where she made her big Brexit speech ? they got a 430,000 quid EU Grant in 2002. For me, that is part of the problem. A lot of areas that overwhelmingly supported Brexit had no idea that many grants for things like this, further education facilities, business start up and infrastructure regeneration are actually being funded by the EU. Whilst many will say that this could be funded directly by the UK, the reality is that our Government spend basically next to fuck all outside of the South East of England.

The EU has no money. They simply take ours and decide how much of it to give us back.

We contribute more than we take.

Think you’re over simplifying it. Financial services base themselves in London because of access to the single market and low barriers to dealing in Europe - that has generated huge amounts of money.

Regardless of what happens now a lot of damage has already been done to the UKs standing in those industries, rather than waiting to find out what’s happening they’ve already acted.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:The EU has no money. They simply take ours and decide how much of it to give us back.

We contribute more than we take.

As I am sure you already know the size of member states' payments to the EU budget is broadly dependent on the size of their economy. So we contribute less than Germany and France and slightly more than Italy.

In terms of net givers and receivers Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium and France all proportionately pay more than the UK.

Still actual facts are completely irrelevant for brexit fans.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46885828

Huge defeat for the Government. Expected a defeat, but the numbers surprised me.

xmiles wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:The EU has no money. They simply take ours and decide how much of it to give us back.

We contribute more than we take.

As I am sure you already know the size of member states' payments to the EU budget is broadly dependent on the size of their economy. So we contribute less than Germany and France and slightly more than Italy.

In terms of net givers and receivers Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium and France all proportionately pay more than the UK.

Still actual facts are completely irrelevant for brexit fans.

Nothing I said was wrong.

boltonbonce wrote:Huge defeat for the Government. Expected a defeat, but the numbers surprised me.

An utterly pointless vote of no confidence proposed by Labour, they won't get May out.

But it'll be another day wasted bickering about nothing.

Our politicians, from all parties, have let the country down.

Even I'd now welcome a second referendum.

She’s just wasted an entire month on this deal. And two years negotiating for a make believe deal. We need leadership who can get a better deal.

Battered by 230 votes - has to be some kind of record.

T.R.O.Y wrote:She’s just wasted an entire month on this deal. And two years negotiating for a make believe deal. We need leadership who can get a better deal.

And who is that leader?