Brexit negotiations

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:The dementia tax?

It was in the manifesto and they did campaign on it.
When they dropped it they then campaigned on the revised manifesto.

So have you got a better example of the point you are trying to make? - because it looks like you're trying to represent opinion as fact again.

Although to be fair, the Tory candidate round here didn't know his arse from his elbow, let alone what the manifesto said he was going to deliver. Obviously he was elected anyway.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:The dementia tax?

It was in the manifesto and they did campaign on it.
When they dropped it they then campaigned on the revised manifesto.

So have you got a better example of the point you are trying to make? - because it looks like you're trying to represent opinion as fact again.

Although to be fair, the Tory candidate round here didn't know his arse from his elbow, let alone what the manifesto said he was going to deliver. Obviously he was elected anyway.

Not true. The policy was not dropped during the election. 

http://dailym.ai/2sicSaE

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Yes and as I proved above this was at odds with Mays statement. You obviously didn't read it.

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Yes and as I proved above this was at odds with Mays statement. You obviously didn't read it.

Simultaneously proving that you have no evidence of your original statement. Nice work.

xmiles wrote:So I think we can all agree that May was lying.

Incidentally May dropped six other manifesto pledges as well: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=22&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiwtL3j58rgAhXFRBUIHaNnC54QFjAVegQIChAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newstatesman.com%2Fpolitics%2Fstaggers%2F2017%2F06%2F7-tory-manifesto-pledges-quietly-dropped-queens-speech&usg=AOvVaw167e1V18fqSh9Oma3Dptz6

Hipster_Nebula wrote:He did say "should" be.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Its very clear in my mind what I voted for, and why. No point talking to you or other remainers about it, as you have made your own minds up from day 1, and have worn blinkers ever since.

Said the man who voted for a hard brexit and has ignored the mounting evidence that this will be very bad for the UK. Try taking the blinkers off glos!

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Its very clear in my mind what I voted for, and why. No point talking to you or other remainers about it, as you have made your own minds up from day 1, and have worn blinkers ever since.

Said the man who voted for a hard brexit and has ignored the mounting evidence that this will be very bad for the UK. Try taking the blinkers off glos!

I didn't vote for a hard Brexit, and neither did anyone else. A hard Brexit hadn't even been heard of when the Leavers first won the referendum. I agree that a no deal Brexit will have some very serious effects on the UK,  but unlike yourself, I have confidence that the country will rally, and manage to come out of it better off, (it may take some time ), whereas people like yourself do us no good by constantly attacking every aspect that doesn't fit into your idea of a perfect EU/ UK coalition. Once this whole debacle is over, many, like yourself will be in the wrong mindset, unable to change tack and actually work for a better UK future.
I don't believe I'm wearing blinkers, however, I am constant in what I want for this country, and in the process am acknowledging that the arguments are swaying back and forth, with many instances that raise my hopes one minute, and dash them the next. This has left me to just accept that we have politicians who are pursuing their own agendas, ignoring what their constituencies voted for, and as a result have ruined what could have been a far more cordial, and profitable, process, which wouldn't have torn the country apart as it has. A comment on the TV a week or so ago stated that there were about 500 Remainers to 150 Leavers in the House, of Commons, hence the problems where most of the 500 are trying to stay in Europe, when they have been told  otherwise.

When one considers all the vehemence and vitriol espoused, even on little forums like this, it makes me wonder in what direction politics will go in the future, (but that's another topic). It will take many years for the people of this country, never mind the economics, to settle down. Regardless of the outcome, I feel that Brexit has changed the country, and the people, far more than we realise, and its effects will be very far reaching, (but were not all doomed  )

T.R.O.Y wrote:What is it you want for the country Glos?

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:What is it you want for the country Glos?

In a nutshell TROY, I would like us to be masters of our own destiny. Free to make our own decisions, as well as our own mistakes. 
We can see how the abilities of the ruling class have deteriorated during this Brexit process, and if we were to stay in the EU, they would only get worse, leaving all major decisions, and some minor as time rolls on, to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
If we ignore this opportunity, we will be subsumed into the European experiment, never to be a truly independent country again.