I think he is confusing racial discrimination with personal abuse. They are not the same thing.
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262 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Jul 24 2020, 10:40
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Words fail me, someone sprayed the N word on the mural
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-53498087
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-53498087
265 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 13:14
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Zaha has now said he won't take a knee now as it's degrading and lost its meaning.
Meanwhile the George Floyd mural in Manchester has been defaced again and 2 men have been arrested for pissing on it
Meanwhile the George Floyd mural in Manchester has been defaced again and 2 men have been arrested for pissing on it
266 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 15:05
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Zaha is right. It is a meaningless gesture and completely pointless. It doesn't change anything.
267 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 15:49
Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
I agree.
It's like standing in the street and banging pans together for the NHS. Then the fools stand together chatting and passing the virus on, thus creating more work for the NHS.
Utter morons.
It's like standing in the street and banging pans together for the NHS. Then the fools stand together chatting and passing the virus on, thus creating more work for the NHS.
Utter morons.
268 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 16:01
Sluffy
Admin
xmiles wrote:Zaha is right. It is a meaningless gesture and completely pointless. It doesn't change anything.
Totally agree and have thought the same from the very begining.
269 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 16:11
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
What is going to work? The levels of online racist abuse is rising and will more than likely get worse until the social media giants step up and do something.
270 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 16:28
Sluffy
Admin
Norpig wrote:What is going to work? The levels of online racist abuse is rising and will more than likely get worse until the social media giants step up and do something.
That won't change anything.
Just because a rascist is stopped from posting on social media doesn't mean it stops them being racists.
The only way to change is for the world to become better educated and tolerant of others.
Can't see that happening in my lifetime.
Also - and what many don't seem to realise/except, is that racism isn't just in one direction - 'whites' to 'blacks' - racism occurs from 'blacks' to 'whites' as well and in any combination of 'coloured' skin you wish to name.
Babies aren't born rascists - society teaches them to become racist.
Until society changes then nothing will happen and why taking the knee has always been pointless to me.
271 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 16:35
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
It's important to keep the issue in the public consciousness, so what effective alternatives are there?
Curb social media? Then we get the freedom of speech lobby sounding off.....Newspapers need to be more responsible. Trump needs to do something to re-align his influence for more civilised non-racist purposes.
Curb social media? Then we get the freedom of speech lobby sounding off.....Newspapers need to be more responsible. Trump needs to do something to re-align his influence for more civilised non-racist purposes.
272 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 17:14
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Society can and does change, often for the better. Racism is still a problem but I don't think it is as bad as it was. OK I am a white person saying this but if you look at media coverage generally today and compare it with coverage 20 or 30 years ago I think there is a positive difference.
As a minor but still significant example of how attitudes change look at how children are disciplined. When I was at school physical punishment was considered normal and teachers hit, slapped and caned children with the apparent consent of the parents. Now that behaviour would put them in jail.
As a minor but still significant example of how attitudes change look at how children are disciplined. When I was at school physical punishment was considered normal and teachers hit, slapped and caned children with the apparent consent of the parents. Now that behaviour would put them in jail.
273 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 19:04
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
Not a "minor" example, xm.... (it's about treatment of minors. !) ...Used to be said that children should be seen and not heard, but society has completely changed so that children rightly have a voice now.
Slavery has been seen for what it is and eventually black/equal rights will win through. Lots of effort on TV and in the quality press is changing society before our eyes and BAME people are being promoted to positions of responsibility. Look at how the film world represents the the changes in society: make a point of seeing the Oscar-winning Green Book.
Slavery has been seen for what it is and eventually black/equal rights will win through. Lots of effort on TV and in the quality press is changing society before our eyes and BAME people are being promoted to positions of responsibility. Look at how the film world represents the the changes in society: make a point of seeing the Oscar-winning Green Book.
274 Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 21:45
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
okocha wrote:Not a "minor" example, xm.... (it's about treatment of minors. !) ...Used to be said that children should be seen and not heard, but society has completely changed so that children rightly have a voice now.
Slavery has been seen for what it is and eventually black/equal rights will win through. Lots of effort on TV and in the quality press is changing society before our eyes and BAME people are being promoted to positions of responsibility. Look at how the film world represents the the changes in society: make a point of seeing the Oscar-winning Green Book.
You are right okocha, it's not a minor change. Another example of how society (albeit not in all countries) has changed for the better is attitudes to homosexuality.
275 Re: Black Lives Matter Sat Feb 20 2021, 10:18
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Interesting programme on R4 yesterday talking about how the first theatres in London- the first public entertainment that didn’t involve topping someone- had a fascination of non-Europeans - and that Marlowe and Shakespeare cast them in roles of despots and murderers thereby laying the foundations of racism here.
276 Re: Black Lives Matter Sat Feb 20 2021, 12:05
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
Not always....eg:Othello. where the white Iago is the villain and the black man, Othello, is cultured, charming and adored by a beautiful, intelligent, white Desdemona.wanderlust wrote:Interesting programme on R4 yesterday talking about how the first theatres in London- the first public entertainment that didn’t involve topping someone- had a fascination of non-Europeans - and that Marlowe and Shakespeare cast them in roles of despots and murderers thereby laying the foundations of racism here.
277 Re: Black Lives Matter Sat Feb 20 2021, 15:31
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Read Tamburlaine okocha?okocha wrote:
Not always....eg:Othello. where the white Iago is the villain and the black man, Othello, is cultured, charming and adored by a beautiful, intelligent, white Desdemona.
278 Re: Black Lives Matter Sun Feb 21 2021, 10:43
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
We go to watch plays rather than read them, Lusty, but I do know the story of Tamburlaine.....and Marlowe can't really rival Shakespeare imo.wanderlust wrote:
Read Tamburlaine okocha?
279 Re: Black Lives Matter Mon Feb 22 2021, 00:12
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Hardly rivals. Commonly held theory that the bard honed his skills by watching Marlowe plays. Agree he was better in the long run but it is suggested there was a bit of standing on the shoulders of giants.okocha wrote:
We go to watch plays rather than read them, Lusty, but I do know the story of Tamburlaine.....and Marlowe can't really rival Shakespeare imo.
Plenty of evidence that both demonised “the Turk” I.e. Muslims - othello was the exception although even he was accused of sorcery.
280 Re: Black Lives Matter Tue Feb 23 2021, 09:35
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
By absolute coincidence, I've just rewatched Oscar-winning Shakespeare in Love. It does back up what you say about the collaboration and friendship between the two playwrights.They learned from each other, it appears.wanderlust wrote:
Hardly rivals. Commonly held theory that the bard honed his skills by watching Marlowe plays. Agree he was better in the long run but it is suggested there was a bit of standing on the shoulders of giants.
Plenty of evidence that both demonised “the Turk” I.e. Muslims - othello was the exception although even he was accused of sorcery.
Such a cleverly-scripted, witty film with wonderful ensemble acting, deserving all its multiple Oscar wins. Anybody who doubts the acting ability of Gwynneth Paltrow will be disabused of their doubts when they (re)watch. No deep knowledge of Shakespeare required to enjoy the greatest(?) love story ever told, from a highly original angle.
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