Norpig wrote:Can you two stop hijacking threads and pushing this age old crap about KA again please? The thread is about Trump and his supporters.
Well actually the thread is about recognising intelligence and the example given was Trump supporters, which is quite a different thing to what you say above.
I've added to the debate by pointing out that 'intelligence' simply does not exist on its own but rather is built up from learning and experience and is influenced by the society, culture and religion that you are brought up in and inhabit.
I've tried to show by examples that we are all familiar with that lack of knowledge and ignorance of the facts lead people (even those with high IQ's) to come to the wrong conclusions, especially if they readily believe the hype/influencers/propaganda/follow the crowd, etc, without question.
As for Wanderlust he's clearly one of those who likes to believe he knows it all - and doesn't.
To answer his points...
1. Most people know Anderson used the club to enrich himself although in the end he only walked away with the quarter of a million FV paid him and had his personal debt written off by the ED Trust -but if he'd been any good at the job there would have been a lot more to take out of the club. Here.
Anderson was here to turn the club around to sell on and make a profit, so he was always in it for the money, there's no secret about that.
As the club was substantially in debt when he bought it, the running costs exceeded revenue and there were no assets which hadn't been fully leveraged against other than the one that Holdsworth immediately took out the BM loan against, it makes a complete and utter mockery of your three/four year mantra that he was only here to rape and pillage the club!
Bob even gave a few salient financial pointers immediately before your post above, yet you still chose to post the tripe you have???
As a Business Consultant with your prestigious MBA perhaps you could explain how Anderson could have done a 'better job' in order to increase revenue/reduced costs, in order that he could have taken more out of the club because as a Company Secretary of forty years experience (with fwiw an MBA myself) and Bob, a lifelong accountant/auditor would be only too keen to learn, particularly when you resort to linking to the self confessed financial numpty, Marc Iles as your chosen source.
I won't be holding my breath until you do though...
2. On the second one
are you claiming the DHSC who awarded the PPE contracts isn't the government? Politicians completely control ministerial posts and agendas and control the awarding of contracts as a result. The changing of direction and personnel of government departments every time a new government is elected is why our system suffers from a lack of continuity. Certainly all the evidence suggests there was no fair and impartial process undertaken to award contracts and that a large number of the successful bidders were linked to the Tory party so in answer to your question I imagine most people believe "their mates" were the beneficiaries.
Don't really know where to begin on this one.
Let's do the easy bit, politicians form policy, the civil service enact it. Politicians come and go, the civil servants are permanent - they do the work if you like whilst the politicians claim the glory or carry the can for failure.
You are utterly wrong if you believe the politicians 'tell' the civil servants what to do, such as who to give contracts to. If you think that happens then you might as well join the QAnon nutjobs who believe in the 'deep state'.
The reality is the process is highly regulated with many checks and balances.
The evaluation and awarding of the PPE contracts was totally done by civil servants...https://boltonnuts.forumotion.co.uk/t21726p120-nepotism-cronyism-watch#417152
This post walks you through the NAO findings which you've linked to...https://boltonnuts.forumotion.co.uk/t21726p210-nepotism-cronyism-watch#417687
This is the latest on the PAC inquiry...https://committees.parliament.uk/work/731/covid19-government-procurement-and-supply-of-personal-protective-equipment/publications/
The findings so far indicate failings in the 'reporting' side from the civil servants but no political cronyism yet found.
Personally I doubt there ever will be because the process of evaluation and award is totally within the remit of the civil service and it would necessitate civil servants to be 'bent' / corrupt for it to happen.
wanderlust wrote:3. I've only heard of a few idiots that actually believe(d) we'd walk this league. Personally I'm glad it looks like we've probably got enough not to be relegated again for the first time in ages.
You must have missed the overwhelming optimism on here and everywhere else about the prospects for our season and in a large part I would suggest, why we sold 8,000 season tickets because of it.
So I stand by my original post above, intelligence is based on learning and knowledge and nurtured in the society you live in. If you are ignorant of the facts (or don't wish to accept them) then it doesn't matter how high your IQ is, you will make dumb, biased and prejudicial choices accordingly.
Simple as that really.