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JD Vance - the next President after Trump?

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Trump's going to walk this election and I don't doubt he will stand again in 2028 if he's able to - but if he isn't (and it isn't one of the Trump dynasty that does) then Vance will possibly be the man that does.

Worth while the getting to know him a little then.

Anthony Zurcher
Senior North America correspondent
@awzurcher
Published
18 July 2024, 05:28 BST
Updated 8 hours ago

JD Vance took the stage on Wednesday night at the Republican national convention and introduced himself to an American public that frankly knows little about him.

The 39-year-old also set the parameters for what could become a more clear and forceful ideological foundation to the populist conservative movement that Donald Trump brought to the White House, sometimes haltingly, in 2016.

The Ohio senator, first elected to public office just two years ago, began by recounting Donald Trump’s brush with death by an assassin’s bullet on Saturday.

He then turned to his own personal story - of a "hillbilly" childhood growing up in a family of limited means while his mother struggled with addiction.

He recounted his service in the US Marines after 9/11, which then helped pay his college tuition.

Some of his speech was lighthearted. As a graduate of the Ohio State University, he exchanged good natured barbs with the delegation from Ohio’s college sport arch-rival, Michigan.

He spoke about his grandmother, whom he called "Mawmaw" – which he noted was a term of endearment in the Appalachian community he hails from. He touted her toughness - recalling that the family had found "19 loaded handguns" in her home after she died - and said she had once warned that she would drive over a drug-dealing youth he was known to spend time with.

Then he pivoted to politics, and Mr Vance’s speech took on a harder edge. He outlined ideas he has spoken about before, but this time, put them in front of a national audience.

He railed against what he described as an out-of-touch elite. He blamed Joe Biden for supporting free trade deals and voting for the Iraq War (both of which were also backed by many Republicans).

“We need a leader who's not in the pocket of big business but answers to the working man,” he said.

The former venture capitalist criticised multinational corporations and described a growing wealth gap between “the few with power and comfort” and “the rest of us”.

It’s the kind of rhetoric that might find a comfortable home in the progressive left of the Democratic Party – and has made some business leaders in his own party wary of their new vice-presidential nominee.

Then Mr Vance moved on to a topic that keeps the Trump brand of politics distinct from the populist left.

He warned of the dangers of immigration, saying that undocumented migrants worsened the plight of working-class Americans by competing with them for jobs and limited housing.

He went on to a full-throated defence of American nationalism. He said that America was more than just a good idea, it was a “group of people with a shared history and a common future”.

“It is, in short, a nation,” he said

Mr Vance, married to the daughter of Indian immigrants, quickly pointed out that the US welcomed “newcomers” – but with a key caveat.

“We allow them on our terms,” he said.

The newly minted vice-presidential running mate concluded with an extended description of his family burial plot on a mountainside in eastern Kentucky, where seven generations of his ancestors are interred.

He said that this kind of generational connection was the embodiment of a homeland that people would fight and die for – and it represented more than an abstraction.

“People don't go and fight and die for abstractions,” he said. “But they will fight for their home.”

Time and time again in his speech, Mr Vance noted his Appalachian ties – through ancestry and history – and how many from the region migrated to work in factories in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Those are the key electoral battlegrounds that could decide the forthcoming presidential election – and part of the reason Trump picked him as his running mate.

But Mr Vance’s selection was also a re-emphasis of the core tenets of Trump’s political movement – on immigration, on trade and on energy policy.

When Donald Trump was president, his biggest wins involved corporate tax cuts and government deregulation. With JD Vance in his White House, however, it means that the next time around – if there is one – his policies could move in a decidedly more populist direction.

At the very least, on Wednesday night, Mr Vance set out just such a path ahead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd16xnnnx10o


JD Vance was once 'never Trump'. Now he's his running mate

Mike Wendling
BBC News
Reporting from
the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Published
15 July 2024
Updated 16 July 2024

“I’m a ‘never Trump’ guy. I never liked him.”

“My god what an idiot.”

“I find him reprehensible.”

That was from JD Vance in interviews and on Twitter in 2016, when the publication of his memoir Hillbilly Elegy catapulted him to fame.

In the same year, he wrote privately on Facebook to Josh McLaurin, his former law school roommate, now a state Senator in Georgia: "I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole... or that he's America's Hitler".

'To go from those texts... to being Trump's biggest cheerleader, it's just kind of unbelievable," Mr McLaurin, who is a member of the Democratic Party, told BBC Newshour.

A few short years later, Mr Vance transformed himself into one of Trump’s steadfast allies.

The first-term senator from Ohio is now by Trump’s side as vice-presidential running mate – and, by extension, an early frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in 2028 – with a reliably conservative voting record and Midwestern roots that Republicans hope will boost support at the ballot box.

In fact, Mr Vance has made something of a habit of transformation. How did he emerge from a tough upbringing to reach the highest levels of American politics?

Mr McLaurin told BBC Newshour that his former roommate previously felt like the Republican party needed to give working people hope as well as economic opportunities. If unsuccessful in doing so, Mr Vance believed a "demagogue" would fill that vacancy, he said.

According to Mr McLaurin, Mr Vance saw Trump as the demagogue.

When asked why Mr Vance has changed his stance on Trump, Mr McLaurin said he thinks it has to do with a "deep-seated anger".

"There’s this joke that men would rather run for office than go to therapy and I think that’s probably especially true in his case," he said.

Memoir makes him famous

Mr Vance was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio, to a mother who struggled with addiction and a father who left the family when JD was a toddler.

He was raised by his grandparents, “Mamaw” and “Papaw”, whom he sympathetically portrayed in his 2016 memoir Hillbilly Elegy.

Mr Vance was adopted by his stepfather when he was six years old. He dropped his middle and last names - changing Donald, his biological father's name, to David, which preserved his nickname of JD. His last name changed from Bowman to Hamel, his stepfather's last name.

His mother split from his then-stepfather a few years later.

When he married after graduating law school, the couple took the last name of Vance to honour his maternal grandparents family name - leading to his current name: James David Vance.

Although Middletown is located in rust-belt Ohio, Mr Vance identified closely with his family’s roots slightly to the south in Appalachia, the vast mountainous inland region that stretches from the Deep South to the fringes of the industrial Midwest. It includes some of the country’s poorest areas.

Mr Vance painted an honest portrait of the trials, travails and bad decisions of his family members and friends. And his book also took a decidedly conservative view – describing them as chronic spendthrifts, dependent on welfare payments and mostly failing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

He wrote that he saw Appalachians “reacting to bad circumstances in the worst way possible” and that they were products of “a culture that encourages social decay instead of counteracting it”.

“The truth is hard,” he wrote, “and the hardest truths for hill people are the ones they must tell about themselves.”

While he poured scorn on "elites" and exclusive society, he painted himself as a counterpoint to the chronic failure of those he grew up with.

By the time the book came out, Mr Vance’s own bootstrap tugging had slung him far away from Middletown: first to the US Marines and a tour of duty in Iraq, and later to Ohio State University, Yale Law School and a job as a venture capitalist in California.

Hillbilly Elegy made him not only into a bestselling author, but a sought-after commentator who was frequently called upon to explain Donald Trump’s appeal to white, working-class voters.

He rarely missed an opportunity to criticise the then-Republican nominee.

“I think this election is really having a negative effect especially on the white working class," he told an interviewer in October 2016.

"What it’s doing is giving people an excuse to point the finger at someone else, point the finger at Mexican immigrants, or Chinese trade or the Democratic elites or whatever else.”

From venture capital to politics

In 2017 Mr Vance returned to Ohio and continued to work in venture capital. He and his wife, Usha Chilukuri Vance, whom he met at Yale, have three children - Ewan, Vivek and Mirabel.

As the child of Indian immigrants who grew up in San Diego, Usha Vance has a very different background from her husband. She also attended Yale as an undergraduate and received a masters degree from University of Cambridge. She served as a clerk to Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts after law school and is currently a litigator.

Mr Vance's name was long whispered about as a political candidate, and he saw an opportunity when Ohio’s Republican senator Rob Portman decided not to run for re-election in 2022.

Although his campaign was initially slow to get going, he got a kick-start via a $10m (£7.7m) donation by his former boss, Silicon Valley power broker Peter Thiel. But the real hurdle stopping him from getting elected in increasingly Republican Ohio was his past criticism of Trump.

He apologised for his previous remarks and managed to mend fences and earn Trump’s endorsement, pushing him to the top of the Republican field and eventually into the Senate.

In the process, Mr Vance has become an increasingly important player in the world of Make America Great Again politics – and has signed up almost completely to Trump’s agenda.

Where does he stand on the issues?

In the Senate he has been a reliable conservative vote, backing populist economic policies and emerging as one of the biggest congressional sceptics of aid to Ukraine.

Given his short tenure in the Democrat-led chamber, the bills he has sponsored have rarely moved forward, and have more often been about sending messages than changing policy.

In recent months, Mr Vance introduced bills to withhold federal funds for colleges where there are encampments or protests against Israel's war in Gaza, and to colleges that employ undocumented immigrants.

Mr Vance also sponsored legislation in March that would cut the Chinese government off from US capital markets if it does not follow international trade law.

He hit all of these themes at a recent speech at the National Conservatism Conference, where he declared: "The real threat to American democracy is that American voters keep on voting for less immigration and our politicians keep on rewarding us with more."

He said the idea of the American Dream – "This very basic idea that you should be able to build a good life for yourself and your family in the country you call home" - was "under siege by the left".

And he said that American involvement in Ukraine had "no obvious conclusion or even objective that we’re close to getting accomplished".

Also at the conference, he said the UK was "not doing so good" because of immigration and claimed that under a Labour government, the country had become the “first truly Islamist country” with a nuclear bomb.

Mr Vance, who was baptised as a Catholic in 2019, has expressed support in the past for a nationwide abortion ban after 15 weeks. But he recently backed Trump's view that the matter was for states to decide.

When his Hitler comment was first reported, in 2022, a spokesperson did not dispute it, but said it no longer represented his views.

How did Republicans - and others - react?

Mr Vance received waves of loud applause when he entered the convention arena in Milwaukee on Monday. He walked over to the Ohio contingent and, looking somewhat in awe of the scene, took selfies with delegates as he was being introduced.

"He's from humble beginnings and he's young," said delegate Amanda Suffecool, the party's chair in Portage County, in north-east Ohio. "A lot of people are going to think he looks like him."

Mr Vance was also one of the first top Republicans to point the finger at Democrat campaign rhetoric in the wake of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump at a rally on Saturday.

"The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs," he posted on X hours after the shooting. "That rhetoric led directly to President Trump's attempted assassination."

In comments on Monday, President Biden called Mr Vance a "clone of Trump" - indicating how Democrats will attempt to portray him for the rest of the campaign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn07dv4mrg2o


And this next bit I suggest is highly relevant!

Who is Usha Vance, lawyer and wife of Trump's VP pick?

While she does not seek out the political spotlight, Mrs Vance, 38, wields considerable influence over her husband’s career, Mr Vance has said before.

Mrs Vance - née Chilukuri, the child of Indian immigrants - was born and raised in the suburbs of San Diego, California.

The two met as students at Yale Law School in 2013, when they joined a discussion group on “social decline in white America”, according to the New York Times.

The content influenced Mr Vance's best-selling 2016 memoir Hillbilly Elegy, about his childhood in the white working-class Rust Belt, which became a 2020 movie directed by Ron Howard.

Whilst her husband regularly rails about "woke" ideas he says are pushed by Democrats, Mrs Vance was formerly a registered Democrat and is now a corporate litigator at a San Francisco law firm which proudly touts its reputation for being “radically progressive”.

Mrs Vance previously graduated with a BA in history from Yale University and was also a Gates Scholar at Cambridge University, where she came away with an MPhil in early modern history, according to her LinkedIn profile.

She once clerked for Brett Kavanaugh, now a Supreme Court justice, on the District of Columbia court of appeals. Then she clerked for Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts. Both men are part of the highest court's conservative majority.

And it is this stellar CV that leaves Mr Vance feeling “humbled” he has said.

Full article here...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c897483zpyeo

luckyPeterpiper

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Ivan Campo
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If trump wins in november no one will be standing in 2028 as there won't be an election. Trump will with the help of Project 2025 become the dictator for life and Vance is no more than a place holder who'll be pushed aside for most likely Don jr the moment Trump is given his 'kingship' by his Simpering Cronies in The Suppurating Cesspit that used to be a court of law.

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker

luckyPeterpiper wrote:If trump wins in november no one will be standing in 2028 as there won't be an election. Trump will with the help of Project 2025 become the dictator for life and Vance is no more than a place holder who'll be pushed aside for most likely Don jr the moment Trump is given his 'kingship' by his Simpering Cronies in The Suppurating Cesspit that used to be a court of law.
Or as we know them by, Dumb and Dumber!

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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Trump is slathered in bronzer, Vance wears eyeliner, and as for Matt Gaetz?

https://www.newsweek.com/matt-gaetz-appearance-rnc-sparks-flood-jokes-memes-1926786

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Let's cross that bridge if it ever happens Peter.

Trump can under the current law can serve for two consecutive terms, he's going to win this election and no doubt win the Senate and Congress at the same time, so he doesn't have to do anything as drastic and confrontational as Project 25.

He could if he wanted, do a Putin, who under similar conditions served two terms, stepped down and put a puppet in his place, then four years later took over from him again.

Trump will no doubt want to stay in power as long as he can but his age is against him in the longer term.

No doubt he will want to create a political dynasty and it may already have started!

Lara Trump's meteoric rise signals changing of Trump family guard

JD Vance - the next President after Trump? 84d6cbe0-4495-11ef-8f61-59143325c728

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgl9x70x41o

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A bit more about Project 2025.

The policy group that wrote Project 2025 is The Heritage Foundation

Project 2025 - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

The Heritage Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation

Where did Liz Truss get all her political ideology from...

...yes you've guest it, The Heritage Foundation.

If you want to see for yourselves just google - Heritage Foundation Liz Truss.


In fact I've done it for you...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Heritage+Foundation+Liz+Truss&sca_esv=70bcee09bc372401&ei=mUyZZrbxCPCBhbIPhMGAkAM&ved=0ahUKEwj2oa_IirGHAxXwQEEAHYQgADIQ4dUDCA8&oq=Heritage+Foundation+Liz+Truss&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHUhlcml0YWdlIEZvdW5kYXRpb24gTGl6IFRydXNzSOpFUOwHWOkscAF4AJABAJgBPqABtAGqAQEzuAEMyAEA-AEBmAIAoAIAmAMAiAYBkgcAoAf1Ag&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

I stopped reading the articles after the third page of Google!


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Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Sluffy wrote:Let's cross that bridge if it ever happens Peter.

Trump can under the current law can serve for two consecutive terms, he's going to win this election and no doubt win the Senate and Congress at the same time, so he doesn't have to do anything as drastic and confrontational as Project 25.

He could if he wanted, do a Putin, who under similar conditions served two terms, stepped down and put a puppet in his place, then four years later took over from him again.

Trump will no doubt want to stay in power as long as he can but his age is against him in the longer term.

No doubt he will want to create a political dynasty and it may already have started!

Lara Trump's meteoric rise signals changing of Trump family guard

JD Vance - the next President after Trump? 84d6cbe0-4495-11ef-8f61-59143325c728

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgl9x70x41o
Right and wrong Sluffy.  The Constitution does not allow for a third term... the wrong part. The right part is Trump will shred the Constitution and run again, with the concurrence of the right wing of the Supreme Court who have granted him immunity for his criminal behavior. The mafia don could have been stopped by Mitch McConnell, who famously said let the courts hold him accountable, not the Congress. So the Teflon Don continues on his path to destroying democracy and destabilizing NATO and Europe. Putin must have some pretty damning photos.

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observer wrote:
Right and wrong Sluffy.  The Constitution does not allow for a third term... the wrong part. The right part is Trump will shred the Constitution and run again, with the concurrence of the right wing of the Supreme Court who have granted him immunity for his criminal behavior. The mafia don could have been stopped by Mitch McConnell, who famously said let the courts hold him accountable, not the Congress. So the Teflon Don continues on his path to destroying democracy and destabilizing NATO and Europe. Putin must have some pretty damning photos.

I was thinking of Franklin D. Roosevelt when I wrote what I had, I knew he served three terms and I understood the constitution was that you could serve no more the two consecutive terms, so I thought Roosevelt must have stood down after his second term and became POTUS at the following election - apparently he served four consecutive terms (although that coincided with WWII so maybe that was part of the reason he remained in office?)

As for Trump I'd like to think that good will triumph over evil no matter how long it will take.

To my mind something is 'broken' in America.

I'm not sure what it is, maybe it's corruption, racism, a wild west mentality, religious fanaticism, the unattainability by many to obtain the American dream, opioids, poor education (as you pointed out) or whatever it is - but it seems to have brewed and fested over many years, within many people and Trump's struck a populist nerve with this discontented and puts into words what they believe in themselves - drain the swamp at Washington, keep the illegal immigrants out, protect national jobs, put an end to the ridiculousness of woke-ism, in short 'Make America Great Again'.

I can see why the 'white trash' would believe and swallow this but at the shooting the other day there were clearly intelligent and decent people present following Trump - the emergency surgeon who tended to the man shot in the head, the voluntary fire chief who died - these people and clearly many more, believe the message too.

They certainly aren't all hill billies and the illiterate that are behind Trump - its very much bigger than that - somethings is rotten in the state of Denmark (Hamlet) - and that's the core problem that allows the Trumps to grow and thrive - and good people not only not see it - but want it also?

Hopefully America will come to its senses before it is to late?

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Sluffy wrote:

I was thinking of Franklin D. Roosevelt when I wrote what I had, I knew he served three terms and I understood the constitution was that you could serve no more the two consecutive terms, so I thought Roosevelt must have stood down after his second term and became POTUS at the following election - apparently he served four consecutive terms (although that coincided with WWII so maybe that was part of the reason he remained in office?)

As for Trump I'd like to think that good will triumph over evil no matter how long it will take.

To my mind something is 'broken' in America.

I'm not sure what it is, maybe it's corruption, racism, a wild west mentality, religious fanaticism, the unattainability by many to obtain the American dream, opioids, poor education (as you pointed out) or whatever it is - but it seems to have brewed and fested over many years, within many people and Trump's struck a populist nerve with this discontented and puts into words what they believe in themselves - drain the swamp at Washington, keep the illegal immigrants out, protect national jobs, put an end to the ridiculousness of woke-ism, in short 'Make America Great Again'.

I can see why the 'white trash' would believe and swallow this but at the shooting the other day there were clearly intelligent and decent people present following Trump - the emergency surgeon who tended to the man shot in the head, the voluntary fire chief who died - these people and clearly many more, believe the message too.

They certainly aren't all hill billies and the illiterate that are behind Trump - its very much bigger than that - somethings is rotten in the state of Denmark (Hamlet) - and that's the core problem that allows the Trumps to grow and thrive - and good people not only not see it - but want it also?

Hopefully America will come to its senses before it is to late?
The Twenty-Second Amendment says a person can only be elected to be president two times for a total of eight years. It does make it possible for a person to serve up to ten years as president. This can happen if a person (most likely the Vice-President) takes over for a president who can no longer serve their term.


As to America coming to its senses... I fear that ship has passed. The far right is being run by organizations like The Heritage Foundation... who have been behind the conservative justices of the Supreme Court.  Their 2025 manifesto knows as Project 2025 is as follows:  Project 2025 is a 920-page policy blueprint created by the conservative Heritage Foundation that lays out a far-right Christian vision for Trump’s second White House term if he wins in November. It’s the latest “Mandate for Leadership” that the group has been [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Leadership#:~:text=In January 1981%2C Mandate for,focusing on management and administration.]releasing ahead of incoming presidential administrations since the [/url]early 1980s.
The blueprint suggests transforming the FBI into a politically motivated entity; abolishing the Department of Education; and dismantling the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association — which among other duties, tracks hurricanes — because it is part of a “colossal operation that has become one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry.” It would bar U.S. citizens from receiving federal housing aid if they live with anyone who is not a citizen or permanent legal resident and potentially terminate the legal status of approximately 500,000 “Dreamer” immigrants.                                                                     It also challenges LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights (including banning drugs to terminate pregnancies, and women must live with abusive husbands, as well as not terminate any pregnancy even if their life is endangered or if they have been raped.  This will bring America back into the 1950s, which is the goal of many of these right wingers. It is Christian nationalism that brings most of the supporters together.                                 Can America survive a second Trump term?  The real question is whether Trump destroys NATO, Europe and hands the Ukraine back to Putin. As I said before, Putin must have some incredible pictures in his file drawer!

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Thanks Obs.

I did look up the 22nd Amendment just to confirm that you were right and I was wrong and I had already put up an explanation video from Beau of the fifth (I urge everyone not to believe what they read and see on social media - including me) - but Beau does seem to explain things fairly and reasonably for others to use him as a reference point and start to do their own research from there.

I also put up wiki links to Project 2025, links to Heritage Foundation, links that show how the former Prime Minister of the UK, Liz Truss was (is) connected to it and even a few pictures of her lecturing at it!

Truss was our mini-Trump if you will and reasonable people such as W63 who posts on here, was a a mini-Trump like believer in her (he still does) - even though she trashed our economy with her ideology and got thrown out of office with 50 days of becoming PM.

She has since lost her seat at the recent General election losing her majority of over 26,000 votes from her previous election.

The Liz Truss moment: What it was like to be in the room
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgrz2d77lgo

As for Putin, if he does have a hold over Trump it is something far more meaningful than pictures or videos (that in these days can be easily created or faked using AI).

To my mind it is more the opposite away around - Trump wants to become a Putin or a Xi.

And he's clearly on his way to becoming one.

It kinds of reminds me of Martin Niemoller's poem - except it should include the line 'then they came for democracy...'



First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Ah Bowman. Never trust a man who has changed his name twice.

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
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Never mind the USA, worry about what Starmers got planned for us here.

Sluffy

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Whitesince63 wrote:Never mind the USA, worry about what Starmers got planned for us here.

Sluffy wrote:Truss was our mini-Trump if you will and reasonable people such as W63 who posts on here, was a a mini-Trump like believer in her (he still does) - even though she trashed our economy with her ideology and got thrown out of office with 50 days of becoming PM.

No offence meant for using you as an example - but you ARE exactly what you would expect as a Trump follower - just change Starmer for Biden in what you've just posted for instance.

You want us to in effect 'Build the Wall' to keep illegal migrants out, have Britain for the British (Make Britain Great Again), a climate change denier - you even said you wanted to live under an autocrat ffs!

I don't think you are dumb so there's got to be more for you and the doctor from the emergency ward at Trump's rally to get you both to believe in such leaders as Truss and Trump who basically want to move from the democracy we have to basically become in effect slaves like the people in Russia, China, Iran and North Korea have become in the eyes of their leaders.

I just don't understand how you the doctor and millions and millions of others just can't see what is happening?

..dunno..

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Sluffy wrote:Let's cross that bridge if it ever happens Peter.

Trump can under the current law can serve for two consecutive terms, he's going to win this election and no doubt win the Senate and Congress at the same time, so he doesn't have to do anything as drastic and confrontational as Project 25.

He could if he wanted, do a Putin, who under similar conditions served two terms, stepped down and put a puppet in his place, then four years later took over from him again.

Trump will no doubt want to stay in power as long as he can but his age is against him in the longer term.

No doubt he will want to create a political dynasty and it may already have started!

Lara Trump's meteoric rise signals changing of Trump family guard

JD Vance - the next President after Trump? 84d6cbe0-4495-11ef-8f61-59143325c728

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgl9x70x41o
You are wrong on one small point sluffy. American Law says a president can serve TWO terms ONLY. They do NOT have to be consecutive. Only once in American History has a president that won, lost, won but that President couldn't stand for reelection after his 2nd term. The 22nd Amendment to the constitution also forbids someone who has served two terms as President from coming back as Vice-President because of course that person would have to take the office of POTUS under the 25th Amendment should something happen to the elected President of the time.

So Project 2025 have already included repealing the 22nd Amendment as part of their 'manifesto'. More worrying is their intention to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one of trump 2.0 suspending all civil liberties and elections as did Hitler with the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933. Make no mistake here sluffy, we are literally four months away from a complete Fascist Theocratic state that used to be the USA. It's not hyperbole, it's not alarmist, it's horribly plain fact my friend.

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Andy Walker
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luckyPeterpiper wrote:
You are wrong on one small point sluffy. American Law says a president can serve TWO terms ONLY. They do NOT have to be consecutive. Only once in American History has a president that won, lost, won but that President couldn't stand for reelection after his 2nd term. The 22nd Amendment to the constitution also forbids someone who has served two terms as President from coming back as Vice-President because of course that person would have to take the office of POTUS under the 25th Amendment should something happen to the elected President of the time.

So Project 2025 have already included repealing the 22nd Amendment as part of their 'manifesto'. More worrying is their intention to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one of trump 2.0 suspending all civil liberties and elections as did Hitler with the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933. Make no mistake here sluffy, we are literally four months away from a complete Fascist Theocratic state that used to be the USA. It's not hyperbole, it's not alarmist, it's horribly plain fact my friend.
The truly sad fact is they are openly espousing their facsist beliefs. Too many Americans have tasted the Kool-Aid and worship this Hitler, Putin, Orban, Kim loving want to be dictator. Biden may be old, but he is a decent human being who has done very good things for the American economy... while Trump only says he will bring prosperity... sadly he oversaw the third largest deficit increase in history... 7.8 trillion dollars. But those who drink the Kool-Aid don't bother with facts. Instead a very wise candidate brought a retired wrestler to rip off his shirt and endorse him.  Says a lot about those who worship the false idol.

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luckyPeterpiper wrote:You are wrong on one small point sluffy. American Law says a president can serve TWO terms ONLY. They do NOT have to be consecutive. Only once in American History has a president that won, lost, won but that President couldn't stand for reelection after his 2nd term. The 22nd Amendment to the constitution also forbids someone who has served two terms as President from coming back as Vice-President because of course that person would have to take the office of POTUS under the 25th Amendment should something happen to the elected President of the time.

So Project 2025 have already included repealing the 22nd Amendment as part of their 'manifesto'. More worrying is their intention to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one of trump 2.0 suspending all civil liberties and elections as did Hitler with the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933. Make no mistake here sluffy, we are literally four months away from a complete Fascist Theocratic state that used to be the USA. It's not hyperbole, it's not alarmist, it's horribly plain fact my friend.

Thanks Peter would we have already discussed this above...

Sluffy wrote:I was thinking of Franklin D. Roosevelt when I wrote what I had, I knew he served three terms and I understood the constitution was that you could serve no more the two consecutive terms, so I thought Roosevelt must have stood down after his second term and became POTUS at the following election - apparently he served four consecutive terms (although that coincided with WWII so maybe that was part of the reason he remained in office?)

The 22nd Amendment followed Roosevelt's death.

I was aware of the 'trivia fact' if you will and was unaware until 'Observer' corrected me, that this 'record' could never be broken - (unless of course someone repels this amendment).

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observer wrote:The truly sad fact is they are openly espousing their facsist beliefs. Too many Americans have tasted the Kool-Aid and worship this Hitler, Putin, Orban, Kim loving want to be dictator. Biden may be old, but he is a decent human being who has done very good things for the American economy... while Trump only says he will bring prosperity... sadly he oversaw the third largest deficit increase in history... 7.8 trillion dollars. But those who drink the Kool-Aid don't bother with facts. Instead a very wise candidate brought a retired wrestler to rip off his shirt and endorse him.  Says a lot about those who worship the false idol.

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Point well made Obs.


Although I still can't understand why quite obviously intelligent people such as the emergency ward surgeon would be a be a Trump supporter along with the braindead masses?

..dunno..

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Buttigieg is always compelling.

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It is exactly as I keep saying...


Politics = POWER

And there are ONLY two rules -

Rule 1 - Do whatever you have to do, to get in to power.

Then,

Rule 2 - Do whatever you have to do to STAY in power.


It really is how it works.

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