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92 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 21:55
bwfc71
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Well I have just booked flights to Amsterdam for early January for £30 return with Easyjet and my normal hotel for €82/night instead off the usual €96!!! (ps that is on top of my business trips over next few weeks both mine and the company I work for - combine the two!!!)@Natasha Whittam wrote:I'd be thinking how the fuck can you afford to fly abroad when you're on benefits. Twats!@bwfc71 wrote:What would your and/or any other persons reaction be if the couple in question were living on the breadline in a council house on Johnson fold, earning just about the minimum wage and all this had happened in Benidorm?
Plus what about the £5 deals that appear in certain red-top papers each year?
93 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 21:55
Soul Kitchen
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And if I want a fucking moan I will, especially if it pisses you off!!
94 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 22:04
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Moaning because the police and the parents are trying to find an abducted child.
Very poor, I hope nothing like that ever happens to you.
Very poor, I hope nothing like that ever happens to you.
95 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 22:08
Reebok Trotter
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In the UK if anyone is reported missing and the police are involved, a computer record is compiled and regularly updated. The case is never closed until the person is either found alive or a body is found. They go through all the evidence with a fine toothcomb. No stone is left unturned contrary to what people might think.
Most large forces like the Met and GMP have a dedicated full time cold case unit. The GMP unit is based at the old nick on Castle Street off Bury Road. People who committed murders over twenty and thirty years ago are no longer safe from prosecution. Minute traces of DNA which were insufficient to produce a match can now be cultivated in a laboratory in the same way that a mushroom fungus can grow on the bark of a tree.
A low copy DNA sample ( insufficient ) can now be grown to give a perfect match. Even better, the profiles are recorded on a national database and even if no match is found the system can identify immediate family members like brothers and sisters and children.
Unlike fingerprints which are unique to an individual, DNA is not. Identical twins share the same DNA but other than that there are no exceptions.
Whatever DNA was found by the Portuguese authorities regarding the Madeleine McCann disappearance has never been published. Why not?
James Hanratty's family protested his innocence for years but after exhumation and DNA analysis it was proved that he was the killer. If the Portuguese authorities had anything about them then they would hand over their file to the English police. Why don't they?
Most large forces like the Met and GMP have a dedicated full time cold case unit. The GMP unit is based at the old nick on Castle Street off Bury Road. People who committed murders over twenty and thirty years ago are no longer safe from prosecution. Minute traces of DNA which were insufficient to produce a match can now be cultivated in a laboratory in the same way that a mushroom fungus can grow on the bark of a tree.
A low copy DNA sample ( insufficient ) can now be grown to give a perfect match. Even better, the profiles are recorded on a national database and even if no match is found the system can identify immediate family members like brothers and sisters and children.
Unlike fingerprints which are unique to an individual, DNA is not. Identical twins share the same DNA but other than that there are no exceptions.
Whatever DNA was found by the Portuguese authorities regarding the Madeleine McCann disappearance has never been published. Why not?
James Hanratty's family protested his innocence for years but after exhumation and DNA analysis it was proved that he was the killer. If the Portuguese authorities had anything about them then they would hand over their file to the English police. Why don't they?
96 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 22:36
Soul Kitchen
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Thanks for your concerns for me, don't worry too much!bwfc1874 wrote:Moaning because the police and the parents are trying to find an abducted child.
Very poor, I hope nothing like that ever happens to you.
97 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 22:42
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You keep avoiding the question SK, do you expect the McCanns to just shut up and go away? Would you not do everything you could to find your child?
98 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 22:43
Soul Kitchen
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As you saw in the dispatches video it stated that their info was secret by law. They are obviously abiding by this situation and covering up their own bollox. Now, a few thumb shakes later, and the English Police are involved when all the evidence has been binned.
As you saw in the dispatches video it stated that their info was secret by law. They are obviously abiding by this situation and covering up their own bollox. Now, a few thumb shakes later, and the English Police are involved when all the evidence has been binned.
99 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 22:51
Soul Kitchen
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I wouldn't have put myself in that position in the first place so it's an hypothetical question. They fucked up big style and paid the price simple as. Now I'm well aware that you can turn your back and get a paper and they're gone whilst you are a step away, but go 150 metres away for half an hour, we'll enough said. Don't expect me to share the grief. Hope this helps.@Natasha Whittam wrote:You keep avoiding the question SK, do you expect the McCanns to just shut up and go away? Would you not do everything you could to find your child?
Furthermore they actually would have committed a crime if this had happened in England, but hey let's cast a blind eye to that!
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100 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 22:53
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Well said SK!@Soul Kitchen wrote:I wouldn't have put myself in that position in the first place so it's an hypothetical question. They fucked up big style and paid the price simple as. Now I'm well aware that you can turn your back and get a paper and they're gone whilst you are a step away, but go 150 metres away for half an hour, we'll enough said. Don't expect me to share the grief. Hope this helps.@Natasha Whittam wrote:You keep avoiding the question SK, do you expect the McCanns to just shut up and go away? Would you not do everything you could to find your child?
101 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 23:12
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Doesn't answer the question.@Soul Kitchen wrote:I wouldn't have put myself in that position in the first place so it's an hypothetical question. They fucked up big style and paid the price simple as. Now I'm well aware that you can turn your back and get a paper and they're gone whilst you are a step away, but go 150 metres away for half an hour, we'll enough said. Don't expect me to share the grief. Hope this helps.@Natasha Whittam wrote:You keep avoiding the question SK, do you expect the McCanns to just shut up and go away? Would you not do everything you could to find your child?
Furthermore they actually would have committed a crime if this had happened in England, but hey let's cast a blind eye to that!
Bad parenting no doubt, do they deserve this? No.
Get off your high horse and realise this isn't an opportunity for smart arses like you to say ' I wouldn't have done this and that' and it's not about the McCann's either.
It's about a missing child, who could still be going through shit at the moment. So if the police want to keep looking for her and exhaust every possible lead the fact we replace shit like Eastenders to publicise it should be praised not attacked.
102 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Tue Oct 15 2013, 23:42
Soul Kitchen
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But there is an opportunity, I've been there, done it and got the t shirt. Now I don't do PC so as a consequence I speak as I see. Furthermore I didn't and still don't eff and Jeff to my children as seems to be fashion now, perhaps you think they've been deprived by this? I make my statements, I have no need or requirement to further explain. Now if that upsets tough. The McCanns are a pair of dick heads who should have known better given their employ, why should I feel sorry cos they choose booze over proper parenting? Gerry Mccann sed the crime was the person taking their child and not them. Right and wrong! That's the arrogance.
103 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 08:09
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So you seem to be saying that we should forget about the kid because her parents fucked up - she deserves to be left to her fate because her parents made a huge mistake?@Soul Kitchen wrote:I wouldn't have put myself in that position in the first place so it's an hypothetical question. They fucked up big style and paid the price simple as. Now I'm well aware that you can turn your back and get a paper and they're gone whilst you are a step away, but go 150 metres away for half an hour, we'll enough said. Don't expect me to share the grief. Hope this helps.
Furthermore they actually would have committed a crime if this had happened in England, but hey let's cast a blind eye to that!
So Joe Bloggs spends all day in the pub then drives his 3 kids to their swimming lessons. He drives the car off the road and into the river. The car sinks with everyone inside.
Soul Kitchen is on the riverbank zipping himself up after a liaison with a rent boy and spots the car going into the river. Let's imagine SK knows the driver was pissed.
Does he:
a) Dive in and save the kids
b) Walk on by because the kids deserve to die because their Dad is a drunk
Which one is it SK?
104 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 11:17
scottjames30
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or c) carry on his session with the rent boy.
105 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 12:56
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I think (c) was a given so I didn't include it.
106 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 14:34
wanderlust
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It's all getting a bit convoluted now.
The parents? I can't agree with the sentiment that "it's such a heavy price to pay for a bit of negligent behaviour when they were on holiday" The whole point of never letting young kids out of sight is that the price is always potentially heavy - don't hold their hand when they cross the road and they could be dead. Leave them with access to drugs or chemicals and they could be dead. Leave them unattended in a holiday resort....
Life is serious and kids have no defences so regardless of the fact that they were on holiday (and therefore entitled to a little break?) they should not have let their guard down - and having done so must pay the price - they should have been aware of the potential consequences all along and put the kids' wellbeing ahead of their social life.
Having sympathy for them on the basis of "how hard life's lessons are" is no grounds for condoning their negligence - the opposite if anything.
The child? Probably long dead.
The parents? I can't agree with the sentiment that "it's such a heavy price to pay for a bit of negligent behaviour when they were on holiday" The whole point of never letting young kids out of sight is that the price is always potentially heavy - don't hold their hand when they cross the road and they could be dead. Leave them with access to drugs or chemicals and they could be dead. Leave them unattended in a holiday resort....
Life is serious and kids have no defences so regardless of the fact that they were on holiday (and therefore entitled to a little break?) they should not have let their guard down - and having done so must pay the price - they should have been aware of the potential consequences all along and put the kids' wellbeing ahead of their social life.
Having sympathy for them on the basis of "how hard life's lessons are" is no grounds for condoning their negligence - the opposite if anything.
The child? Probably long dead.
107 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 14:37
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I have to say that I would never have left my kids alone like that, it's just absolutely bloody stupid and irresponsible.
108 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 14:45
wanderlust
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On a recent holiday my missus had a go at a young couple who were sat up with us getting slaughtered at 3 am with their kids crashed out in chairs at our table. Personally I thought that was a lot better than leaving them alone in a strange room where they'd have freaked if they'd woken up without their parents being there. At least this couple never let them out of their sight.
109 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 14:58
Natasha Whittam
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One of the sickest things I've ever read on a forum.@wanderlust wrote:
Life is serious and kids have no defences so regardless of the fact that they were on holiday (and therefore entitled to a little break?) they should not have let their guard down - and having done so must pay the price -
Because they made a bad error they should be punished with their kids life?
Have you never made a mistake Wanderlust? It seems you and Soul Kitchen think you're perfect.
I'll refer you to my earlier post about the drunk driver - imagine you're the bloke on the riverbank with the rent boy and tell me what you'd do.
110 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 19:32
Soul Kitchen
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Correct.@wanderlust wrote:On a recent holiday my missus had a go at a young couple who were sat up with us getting slaughtered at 3 am with their kids crashed out in chairs at our table. Personally I thought that was a lot better than leaving them alone in a strange room where they'd have freaked if they'd woken up without their parents being there. At least this couple never let them out of their sight.
Serial negligence is a crime!
The good thing to come out of all this for all parents is don't use the McCanns and their mates as role models!!
Certain assumptions have been drawn that Madeline McCann is dead, has been abducted, is now having a shit life? She could be living a life of luxury for the last six years, snatched to order for a wealthy childless couple who never let her out of their sight, her own siblings now playing second fiddle to the pursuit of the relief of her parents guilt.
The fact is nobody knows, the stupid criminal negligence of her parents has mean't that they are sentenced to a life of grief of their own making.
111 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 19:35
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Still waiting for you to answer the rent boy question SK, you can't avoid it forever.
112 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 19:45
Soul Kitchen
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We are both parents and as such have had great insight into life's rich tapestry of bringing up children, and the same being the number one priority.@Natasha Whittam wrote:One of the sickest things I've ever read on a forum.@wanderlust wrote:
Life is serious and kids have no defences so regardless of the fact that they were on holiday (and therefore entitled to a little break?) they should not have let their guard down - and having done so must pay the price -
Because they made a bad error they should be punished with their kids life?
Have you never made a mistake Wanderlust? It seems you and Soul Kitchen think you're perfect.
I'll refer you to my earlier post about the drunk driver - imagine you're the bloke on the riverbank with the rent boy and tell me what you'd do.
We have both made mistakes and am sure have learned from them. The McCanns had a warning the night before when two of their children were crying, had an intruder been in the room then? Never the less they were still left to "sleep in the North Stand" with full access to them, while the parents "wined and dined in the South Stand" and out of view for possibly the fourth of fifth night on the trot.
Perhaps you will emulate them should you be fortunate enough to be in a similar circumstance Nat? Your manner and stance would tend to suggest so?!
Or are you just on one of your usual wind ups?
113 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 19:55
Soul Kitchen
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I'd get the rent boy to save the kids!@Natasha Whittam wrote:Still waiting for you to answer the rent boy question SK, you can't avoid it forever.
I can't swim!!
And I'd pinch all of the Dad's remaining ale, that do you spinster?
114 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 20:12
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@Soul Kitchen wrote:I'd get the rent boy to save the kids!@Natasha Whittam wrote:Still waiting for you to answer the rent boy question SK, you can't avoid it forever.
I can't swim!!
And I'd pinch all of the Dad's remaining ale, that do you spinster?
115 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 20:25
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Another thing I simply can't understand was what the mother did when she went back and found the child missing.
Anybody who saw Crimewatch and the mother telling her story please correct me if I'm wrong but this is what I heard her to say.
Remember shes gone back to check in THREE kids all aged 3 or under.
She says she goes into the apartment and notices that the kids bedroom door is open more than they had left it when they had gone out but assumed her husband had left it like that when he checked on the children 30 minutes earlier.
She then says she pulls the door to but it sort of blows shut - and she twigs that the window must be open and the draft help shut the door. She knows the window should not be open.
She THEN goes into the room and finds the child missing.
Why the fuck did she not go in the room to check the kids BEFORE pulling the door to?
What's the point in checking the kids if she doesn't even go to look at them?
OK you can here a child cry but if I had to walk 150 meters from my wine, food and doctor friends, the least I would do would be to pop my head round the door - wouldn't you?
For a mother of three babies not to do it is unthinkable to me?
Whenever my little girl was asleep - anywhere at anytime, I always used to check she was breathing, I always watched for her to make a little movement or sound. Maybe that was over cautiousness on my part but its something I just had to do.
At the end of the day a child is lost, maybe dead. No matter how shit the McCann's were / are as parents - they didn't deserve that and I do feel sorry for them as a fellow parent.
I do though think there is something not right in their behavior and if anything the interview on TV have put them in a seriously worse light imo.
How can you leave your children - all three of them aged 3 and under remember - when they tell you they were crying for you the night before? For God's sake take it in turns to be with your kids - you brought them on holiday with you in the first place - rather than you both fuck off to meet your friends.
It does my head in that the other parents (doctors remember) seem to be doing it to their own kids at the same time too - something simply doesn't add up, doesn't add up at all to my way of thinking.
Anybody who saw Crimewatch and the mother telling her story please correct me if I'm wrong but this is what I heard her to say.
Remember shes gone back to check in THREE kids all aged 3 or under.
She says she goes into the apartment and notices that the kids bedroom door is open more than they had left it when they had gone out but assumed her husband had left it like that when he checked on the children 30 minutes earlier.
She then says she pulls the door to but it sort of blows shut - and she twigs that the window must be open and the draft help shut the door. She knows the window should not be open.
She THEN goes into the room and finds the child missing.
Why the fuck did she not go in the room to check the kids BEFORE pulling the door to?
What's the point in checking the kids if she doesn't even go to look at them?
OK you can here a child cry but if I had to walk 150 meters from my wine, food and doctor friends, the least I would do would be to pop my head round the door - wouldn't you?
For a mother of three babies not to do it is unthinkable to me?
Whenever my little girl was asleep - anywhere at anytime, I always used to check she was breathing, I always watched for her to make a little movement or sound. Maybe that was over cautiousness on my part but its something I just had to do.
At the end of the day a child is lost, maybe dead. No matter how shit the McCann's were / are as parents - they didn't deserve that and I do feel sorry for them as a fellow parent.
I do though think there is something not right in their behavior and if anything the interview on TV have put them in a seriously worse light imo.
How can you leave your children - all three of them aged 3 and under remember - when they tell you they were crying for you the night before? For God's sake take it in turns to be with your kids - you brought them on holiday with you in the first place - rather than you both fuck off to meet your friends.
It does my head in that the other parents (doctors remember) seem to be doing it to their own kids at the same time too - something simply doesn't add up, doesn't add up at all to my way of thinking.
116 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 20:50
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I don't give a flying fook about who's fault it is, i want the child to be found and placed in a safe environment, I consider myself a decent parent but i am not so up myself that i don't think that i could have been punished for an error of judgement. (if you think your perfect then your seriously deluded)
They weren't on the piss,they were having dinner with 12 others all the other couples did the same, should we take those children away after all they did just the same?
No they got lucky, little Maddie was the victim here, so lets just forget about her, because we think we are to clever to slip up (total arrogance), i have read some shite in my time but some of this takes the biscuit. Especially SK who reckons she may of just have dropped on her feet,(priceless) if he wasn't serious. So if i know a very rich couple who can offer the earth maybe you should donate your kids, sounds like a breeze.Is KP one of your kids?
They weren't on the piss,they were having dinner with 12 others all the other couples did the same, should we take those children away after all they did just the same?
No they got lucky, little Maddie was the victim here, so lets just forget about her, because we think we are to clever to slip up (total arrogance), i have read some shite in my time but some of this takes the biscuit. Especially SK who reckons she may of just have dropped on her feet,(priceless) if he wasn't serious. So if i know a very rich couple who can offer the earth maybe you should donate your kids, sounds like a breeze.Is KP one of your kids?
117 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 20:53
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I know that I am straying from the topic slightly with what I am going to say but weren't they in the paper one time for taking a lot of money like £1million from the charity fund?
118 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 21:12
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Well put, the feelings towards the parents are immaterial it's about the kid.@wessy wrote:I don't give a flying fook about who's fault it is, i want the child to be found and placed in a safe environment, I consider myself a decent parent but i am not so up myself that i don't think that i could have been punished for an error of judgement. (if you think your perfect then your seriously deluded)
They weren't on the piss,they were having dinner with 12 others all the other couples did the same, should we take those children away after all they did just the same?
No they got lucky, little Maddie was the victim here, so lets just forget about her, because we think we are to clever to slip up (total arrogance), i have read some shite in my time but some of this takes the biscuit. Especially SK who reckons she may of just have dropped on her feet,(priceless) if he wasn't serious. So if i know a very rich couple who can offer the earth maybe you should donate your kids, sounds like a breeze.Is KP one of your kids?
119 Re: The Madeline McCann Scenario! on Wed Oct 16 2013, 21:16
scottjames30
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@Soul Kitchen wrote:I'd get the rent boy to save the kids!@Natasha Whittam wrote:Still waiting for you to answer the rent boy question SK, you can't avoid it forever.
I can't swim!!
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