Bolton 2-1 Blackburn

Just wishful thinking on my behalf. I honestly think that from what I've seen of him, Wylde could offer us more than Petrov on the left.
I do think that 442 is a strong possibility given OCs past selections in games of this nature - I don't necessarily advocate it, but it will at least be designed to put pressure on Rovers back 4 - albeit at the expense of having an extra player protecting ours.
If he goes that way it could be viewed as a vote of confidence in the back 4s ability to handle Rovers attack. I only wish I had that much confidence in them, still now's the time to step up so if OC goes 442 they have their chance.

wanderlust wrote:Just wishful thinking on my behalf. I honestly think that from what I've seen of him, Wylde could offer us more than Petrov on the left.

You mean what you've seen of him in a sub-standard league?

It'll be the same starting 11 that beat QPR, we all know it deep down.

For a match that we really have to win Coyles comments this morning don't exactly instill confidence.

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I don't think Wylde's FIFA clearance has come through.

Ryo has the kind of pace which will trouble Blackburn though.

We deservedly won at their place, can we have a slightly more positive outlook please?

I can't believe people are moaning about Coyle, rightly, saying the game will be difficult.

People really will find any excuse to have a go won't they.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:I can't believe people are moaning about Coyle, rightly, saying the game will be difficult.

People really will find any excuse to have a go won't they.

It's called getting your excuses in early Hipster, something Mr Coyle is very good at. I reckon he can get three games out of this one excuse.

An excuse would be "well, the players had to get a later train"

this isn't an "excuse" in the normal sense.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:An excuse would be "well, the players had to get a later train"

this isn't an "excuse" in the normal sense.

Of course it is. If we lose at Wolves I 100% guarantee you he will mention the "Muamba Effect" in his post match interview.

When he eventually relegates us he will use the "Muamba Effect" to explain why we went down.

And for once he'd be justified in making it.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:And for once he'd be justified in making it.

WUM.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:And for once he'd be justified in making it.

WUM.

largehat wrote:

jayjay23 wrote:Yeah and all the days of missed training and moping about will help us. Not.

They have missed one day of training, Monday. And in that day they would have been preparing for the Villa game.

Tuesday they wouldn't have been training as they would have been travelling to Birmingham.

You do seem to want to be of a somewhat negative, contrary disposition lately, jayjay. What's the matter, are your bowels troubling you?

Dunno. Not my bowels.
Just keep hearing or seeing snippets like "training is optional" from Coyle. "Cup means nothing now" from Davies. "The players dont have to play if they don't feel like it" from Coyle. "We dont want to go back to White Hart lane". "The players will struggle to be up for it against Blackburn" etc...

I just thing other teams would be positive and say we need to grab hold of this for our own sanity and we need to try to win the cup for Fabrice. I just think there is a lot of excuse making and self pity going on.

jayjay23 wrote:
Just keep hearing or seeing snippets like "training is optional" from Coyle. "Cup means nothing now" from Davies. "The players dont have to play if they don't feel like it" from Coyle. "We dont want to go back to White Hart lane". "The players will struggle to be up for it against Blackburn" etc...

I just thing other teams would be positive and say we need to grab hold of this for our own sanity and we need to try to win the cup for Fabrice. I just think there is a lot of excuse making and self pity going on.

A thousand times this!

He's just trying to take the external pressure off his players.

Who knows what is being said behind closed doors.

You can't base your perception of Coyle's man management entirely on what he says in press conferences. This has always been true.

Having said that, lets look at the specific quotes jayjay used -

- "training is optional" - it was on Monday, when we would have been preparing for the Villa game anyway. No big deal.

- "Cup means nothing now" from Davies - he didn't say this. He said, on Monday afternoon when Fab was still in serious trouble, that he wasn't thinking about the cup at that time. Clearly, now that Fab isn't in such serious trouble, the club and Davies have thought about the cup, because on Tuesday the tie was re-arranged.

- "We don't want to go back to White Hart Lane" - this is a completely made up quote.

- "The players will struggle to be up for it against Blackburn" - this is not what was said either. What was said was ""I wouldn't ask anybody to play who felt they couldn't. So far, no-one has told me they don't want to be involved. There comes a point that we have to play our games and move forward." So pretty much the opposite of jayjay's quote.

You have to be very careful using inverted commas "" when quoting people, not to paraphrase or make things up.

The whining from BWFC fans on forums since Fab started recovering on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning is doing my head in. Everyone agreed the match on Tuesday should have been postponed - it was. Everyone agreed the Blackburn game should go ahead - it will. Everyone agreed the Tottenham game should be replayed at White Hart Lane ASAP - it is.

For god's sake.

I know reading twoddle like the stuff JayJay wrote is extremely depressing, and is a good example of how fans will turn any old situation into a moan fest.

In fairness, jayjay said:

Just keep hearing or seeing snippets like...

like not such as or for example. He never suggested those were exact quotes. There has been a sense of "we're screwed - Muamba's cardiac arrest is the final nail in our Premiership coffin" sort of thing going around.

None of us knows what is happening behind closed doors, however - the team may well be chomping at the bits to win 4 Muamba, so let us stay positive and hope for the best.

has there? I haven't seen that going round personally.

There's definitely been a small concern about how the players would re-act, but a "we're screwed"? hmm.

largehat wrote:He's just trying to take the external pressure off his players.

Who knows what is being said behind closed doors.

You can't base your perception of Coyle's man management entirely on what he says in press conferences. This has always been true.

Having said that, lets look at the specific quotes jayjay used -

- "training is optional" - it was on Monday, when we would have been preparing for the Villa game anyway. No big deal.

- "Cup means nothing now" from Davies - he didn't say this. He said, on Monday afternoon when Fab was still in serious trouble, that he wasn't thinking about the cup at that time. Clearly, now that Fab isn't in such serious trouble, the club and Davies have thought about the cup, because on Tuesday the tie was re-arranged.

- "We don't want to go back to White Hart Lane" - this is a completely made up quote.

- "The players will struggle to be up for it against Blackburn" - this is not what was said either. What was said was ""I wouldn't ask anybody to play who felt they couldn't. So far, no-one has told me they don't want to be involved. There comes a point that we have to play our games and move forward." So pretty much the opposite of jayjay's quote.

You have to be very careful using inverted commas "" when quoting people, not to paraphrase or make things up.

The whining from BWFC fans on forums since Fab started recovering on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning is doing my head in. Everyone agreed the match on Tuesday should have been postponed - it was. Everyone agreed the Blackburn game should go ahead - it will. Everyone agreed the Tottenham game should be replayed at White Hart Lane ASAP - it is.

For god's sake.

OK OK. Nobody likes a clever johnny.
You made some good points and I now wave my little white flag and retreat. (see we can do this in grown up forums without getting upset)

Like I said, (in my defence) I had heard snippets - nothing concrete. I was just getting a bit frustrated by what seemed to be constant moping - maybe I was incorrect.

Keegan wrote:In fairness, jayjay said:

Just keep hearing or seeing snippets like...

like not such as or for example. He never suggested those were exact quotes. There has been a sense of "we're screwed - Muamba's cardiac arrest is the final nail in our Premiership coffin" sort of thing going around.

By using double inverted commas "", he suggested that these were direct quotations. If he wanted to paraphrase as you are suggesting, he should have used single inverted commas ''.

jayjay23 wrote:
OK OK. Nobody likes a clever johnny.
You made some good points and I now wave my little white flag and retreat. (see we can do this in grown up forums without getting upset)

Like I said, (in my defence) I had heard snippets - nothing concrete. I was just getting a bit frustrated by what seemed to be constant moping - maybe I was incorrect.

Sorry if that post came across as harsh, I'm just frustrated about all the moaning. I don't understand it. As far as I am concerned the club has not done a thing wrong in the last 6 days, but they are getting heavy criticism from just one source - our own fans. I don't get that.

It does irk me and in all honesty I'm probably guilty of going over the top in my objection to your post because of the accumulative effect of reading a lot of this from various sources.