Who Do You Blame The Most?

Other. Specifically the strategy to reduce debt/wage bill whilst rejuvenating an ageing squad and hoping to survive in the Premiership all at the same time and over a single season.
We have got rid of old/experienced players and told ourselves "they were shit anyway" or "let's take the money whilst we can"
We have bought affordable young/inexperienced players who have potential plus one or two stop-gaps like Ream.
Sure we have tactical problems but they are put in the glaring spotlight simply because of the pace of change and it's looking like we've tried to do too much in too short a timeframe.
That degree of change needs to be managed over 2 or 3 seasons IMO, but it would seem that the urgency with which it is being undertaken would imply that we are in desperate straights financially.

wanderlust wrote:
We have got rid of old/experienced players and told ourselves "they were shit anyway" or "let's take the money whilst we can"

Who are these old players you speak of, are they better than what we have now?

I don't see any problem with a "warm weather" training camp once a year, in fact i'd encourage it.

change of scenery and all that.

largehat wrote:But it's not a holiday is it? It's a training camp. Why are you describing it as a reward? It'll probably be good for them physically and mentally to get away and train in a warm weather environment.

Oh shut up you bellend. Are you that "secret player" this site once advertised because it would make a lot of sense?

Have you been to Dubai? It's a reward for anyone to go there, it is a fantastic place. Even ignoring the obvious fact we are £100m in debt and are spending thousands on a training camp, what benefit does it actually serve to Bolton Wanderers Football Club? Are the players going to come back and start giving 100% just because they saw a bit of sun? Are they fuck.

They could (and should) have had this training camp on Adlington Rec, to show these overpaid ponces what happens when you play like arseholes. Let me ask you a question Largehat, if you had a son or daughter and he/she kept being naughty and making mistakes would you reward them? Would you fuck.

You are forever defending these ponces, but they've had every bit of luxury life can throw at them yet they aren't motivated and don't give a toss about BWFC.

I've already covered this off in my previous answers to trotter1948 and sluffy.

largehat wrote:I've already covered this off in my previous answers to trotter1948 and sluffy.

Yeah, you said we should spend thousands on flying the team abroad just so their muscles would be warmer. But here's an idea, get the team together in the gym and crank up the heating.

None of your silly answers will benefit the team in any significant way.

£10,000, £20,000, £30,000 even £50,000, whatever it's costing, is less than the difference in gate receipts for one game next season if we go down. It's a negligible amount of money in the context of the situation. If you lost your wedding ring in a pub or something, you'd spend a tenner to get a taxi back to the pub to see if you could find it without thinking anything of spending that tenner, wouldn't you? I don't know why people keep focussing on the cost of the training camp.

I think you describing my answers as "silly" is a bit rich, Natasha.

largehat wrote:£10,000, £20,000, £30,000 even £50,000, whatever it's costing, is less than the difference in gate receipts for one game next season if we go down.

That's another silly answer, you could apply it to anything. Perhaps all the players need luxury neck cushions for the coach trip to Aston Villa - probably only costs around £500 but it could be the difference between the Prem and the Championship.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

largehat wrote:£10,000, £20,000, £30,000 even £50,000, whatever it's costing, is less than the difference in gate receipts for one game next season if we go down.

That's another silly answer, you could apply it to anything. Perhaps all the players need luxury neck cushions for the coach trip to Aston Villa - probably only costs around £500 but it could be the difference between the Prem and the Championship.

Where your counter example falls down is that the idea of the training camp is that there is a scientifically proven performance benefit. I'm not spending my afternoon arguing this with you Natasha, because you're just trolling. Sports people go for warm weather training all the time. But because we're having a bad season and you're a whinging bore, you choose to see it as a waste of time and money. Good for you. Why don't you go and create another tiresome article about how bad we are, cheer everyone up.

largehat wrote:

Where your counter example falls down is that the idea of the training camp is that there is a scientifically proven performance benefit. I'm not spending my afternoon arguing this with you Natasha, because you're just trolling. Sports people go for warm weather training all the time. But because we're having a bad season and you're a whinging bore, you choose to see it as a waste of time and money. Good for you. Why don't you go and create another tiresome article about how bad we are, cheer everyone up.

You miss my point - this trip is rewarding failure. If they want warm weather why not go somewhere much cheaper? Do you agree they'll be staying in a top class hotel being waited on hand and foot?

So are you trying to say this trip will make the team better and is worth whatever it is costing?

So you're actually not against taking the players away on warm weather training after all, your beef is that they've gone somewhere too nice? How interesting.

If the trip has its desired effect the players should be refreshed and raring to go a week on Saturday.

largehat wrote:So you're actually not against taking the players away on warm weather training after all, your beef is that they've gone somewhere too nice? How interesting.

If the trip has its desired effect the players should be refreshed and raring to go a week on Saturday.

No, I was asking the question why do they have to go to Dubai, one of the most expensive places on the planet. I genuinely want to know the answer.

It's a joke Largehat and you know it. Sometimes teams just need an old fashioned bollocking and to spend a few afternoons in Euxton in the pissing down rain. Perhaps the Dubai trip could have been used as an incentive to beat Villa & Swansea?

Why are you so intent on negativities like bollocking and punishment?

We have picked up 20 points from the last 16 games. This is comfortably mid table form.

If we do go down it will be because of our form in the first half of the season, which finished months ago.

It makes me laugh when you claim to be a top business person, nobody could be happy working for someone with your unflinchingly despondent personality.

largehat wrote:Why are you so intent on negativities like bollocking and punishment?

We have picked up 20 points from the last 16 games. This is comfortably mid table form.

If we do go down it will be because of our form in the first half of the season, which finished months ago.

It makes me laugh when you claim to be a top business person, nobody could be happy working for someone with your unflinchingly despondent personality.

I don't go in for all this touchy feely stuff Largehat, if you're a true professional and at the top of your game it shouldn't matter how you're treated - you should always give 100%. That's how my staff are, and as soon as I sense someone needs a hug I find a way to get rid of them.

You seem to be suggesting hard work isn't important anymore, that fancy holidays are the answer to motivational problems.

As for Bolton, they beat Wolves, Rovers & QPR - all within a couple of points of us. When they beat someone half decent give me a shout.

Liverpool not that long ago.

Sorry , Liverpool aren't half decent are they
My mistake

And Everton , both in January this year !!!!

Natasha Whittam wrote:

largehat wrote:Why are you so intent on negativities like bollocking and punishment?

We have picked up 20 points from the last 16 games. This is comfortably mid table form.

If we do go down it will be because of our form in the first half of the season, which finished months ago.

It makes me laugh when you claim to be a top business person, nobody could be happy working for someone with your unflinchingly despondent personality.

I don't go in for all this touchy feely stuff Largehat, if you're a true professional and at the top of your game it shouldn't matter how you're treated - you should always give 100%. That's how my staff are, and as soon as I sense someone needs a hug I find a way to get rid of them.

You seem to be suggesting hard work isn't important anymore, that fancy holidays are the answer to motivational problems.

As for Bolton, they beat Wolves, Rovers & QPR - all within a couple of points of us. When they beat someone half decent give me a shout.

What a WUM.

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trotter1948 wrote:And Everton , both in January this year !!!!

Exactly, ages ago in football terms.

It's a sad day when we're jealous of Wigan and their manager.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

What a WUM.

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I don't really get your point - we won't stay up only beating the teams around us. Agree?