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151 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Nov 08 2016, 17:23

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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xmiles wrote:
Just because people vote for something doesn't make it right.

This isn't about right or wrong, it's about the rules.

We had a referendum, the public voted, and now we should all move on.

Whinging about something every day won't stop it happening.

152 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Nov 08 2016, 17:24

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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bwfc1874 wrote:Awful example, are you saying that you've never broken up with somebody and then stated them afterwards? We all remember Mavies and Nuggy. 

And that's the point why can't anybody express an opinion without being told to shut up? It's absolutely pathetic.

Ok, try this one.

Every day of your life your girlfriend complains about the (small) size of your knob. Every single day to anyone that will listen.

It's her right to express that opinion, but won't you tire of hearing it? Your penis is small, you get it.

153 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Nov 08 2016, 17:29

Guest


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Still some way off, try this - 

Your boyfriend hacks off half his penis because a couple of TV personality politicians had been telling people that if they did so their lives would be infinitely more prosperous and the only thing that had been holding them back from this fantastic life was that half of their penis.

He keeps protesting how good a thing it was to do, would you stop trying to tell him why you think it isn't less than 6 months after?

154 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Nov 08 2016, 17:46

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
xmiles wrote:
Just because people vote for something doesn't make it right.

This isn't about right or wrong, it's about the rules.

We had a referendum, the public voted, and now we should all move on.

Whinging about something every day won't stop it happening.
Unfortunately it would appear your hero Call Me Dave failed to clarify the rules properly!?

155 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Nov 08 2016, 17:51

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:Awful example, are you saying that you've never broken up with somebody and then stated them afterwards? We all remember Mavies and Nuggy. 

And that's the point why can't anybody express an opinion without being told to shut up? It's absolutely patheour knob. Every single day to anyone that will listen.

 Your penis is small, you get it.

It's not the size of the nail that matters, it's the hammer that bangs it in!! Thought you'd know that? Laughing

156 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Nov 08 2016, 18:32

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
xmiles wrote:
Just because people vote for something doesn't make it right.

This isn't about right or wrong, it's about the rules.


The Court case is about the rules as we will see on 5 December.

157 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Fri Nov 11 2016, 14:12

wessy

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Andy Walker
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Just for the record i agree with the three Musketeers. It is the rule of law end of.

The fact that Cameron didn't realise that he didn't have the power to offer to leave, says more about this government than anything else.  The MP's will agree with the referendum decision it is political suicide do do anything else, so just get it done then we can all suffer in piece. 

16 million got it right 17 million got it wrong so be it.

158 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Jan 24 2017, 17:13

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Supreme Court slaps May down ruling that Parliament should vote on what kind of Brexit we are going to get:

  • The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot begin the formal process of leaving the European Union without a vote in Parliament. 

  • Ministers had appealed against an earlier High Court decision, arguing that they already had the authority to trigger Article 50. The businesswoman Gina Millar - who led the legal challenge against the government - said the ruling meant that MPs would rightfully have a say on Brexit. 

  • The government has promised draft legislation within days and Brexit Secretary David Davis spent the best part of two hours being quizzed by 84 MPs about the proposals.

  • He said today's ruling would not derail the government's plans to trigger Article 50 before the end of March. And he was forced to bat away umpteen requests from all sides to publish a white paper giving further details on its plans.

  • Labour has said it won't frustrate the process - but wants MPs to vote on the deal the government agrees with the EU - before it is signed off.

  • But the party's former home secretary David Blunkett warned the Lords not to end up in a head-to-head confrontation with the British public by trying to block the Article 50 bill

  • Meanwhile, Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said she is "disappointed" that the Supreme Court ruled that ministers do not need to consult the devolved administrations before triggering Article 50.

  • Ms Sturgeon said it showed the devolution settlement was "not worth the paper it was written on". The Welsh government said it welcomed today's judgement - adding it was vital that Theresa May reflected the interests of Wales in her Brexit negotiations.

159 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Tue Jan 24 2017, 17:19

wanderlust

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My view is that the Government will continue to argue that they cannot release details for Parliament to vote on as it may impact on the negotiations - but they now may have to.
I don't think they'll go for a straight "Article 50 yes or no" question unless Jezza promises to go for the party whip as they know they'll lose so it's going to be fun and games and how this will pan out is a mystery to me.

160 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 10:38

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
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Oh dear.....

http://news.sky.com/story/it-will-take-years-for-brits-to-fill-low-skilled-eu-migrant-jobs-says-brexit-secretary-10777345

Now far be it from me to be a smug bastard, but I did say this nearly a year ago when I predicted that a Leave vote would mean an eventual hike in the price of loaves of bread and tins of beans.

And it sort of begs the question: If we're still going to let low-skilled workers come in from Europe, what was the fucking point of it all?

Interested to hear the thoughts of anyone who voted Leave because they wanted to "take back control of our borders".

Thanks.

161 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 10:54

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Don't hold your breath Bread.

162 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 11:00

Norpig

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
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it will take more than a few years as the jobless scrotes in this country who see being on the dole as a privilege will think doing these types of jobs are beneath them and will find a way to carry on skiving

163 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 11:05

Natasha Whittam

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Bread2.0 wrote:Now far be it from me to be a smug bastard, but I did say this nearly a year ago when I predicted that a Leave vote would mean an eventual hike in the price of loaves of bread and tins of beans.


I don't like beans.

164 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 11:10

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Bread2.0 wrote:Now far be it from me to be a smug bastard, but I did say this nearly a year ago when I predicted that a Leave vote would mean an eventual hike in the price of loaves of bread and tins of beans.


I don't like beans.
Very wise.

We can't have it spouting from both ends. Razz

165 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 11:13

Natasha Whittam

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boltonbonce wrote:Very wise.

We can't have it spouting from both ends. Razz

:trust:

166 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 13:42

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Bread2.0 wrote:Now far be it from me to be a smug bastard, but I did say this nearly a year ago when I predicted that a Leave vote would mean an eventual hike in the price of loaves of bread and tins of beans.


I don't like beans.
Don't knock it - beans are set to be our new currency.

167 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:09

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Still think we are all having to guess what the final impact of Brexit will be. Basically, no one can be sure at this stage. "In or out" was always a ridiculous question to ask. (Thanks, Dave!) Experts were as much in the dark as laymen and women. Many dire predictions about the immediate aftermath of the referendum result have not come to pass.


I did like this riposte to remainers on the BBC website today:- 


Why do we never hear M.P.’s and H.O.L.’s peers focus on what a financial failure the EU is and how bad it will be for the UK to be shackled to such a liability.

High unemployment, banks ‘teetering’, migrant chaos, Schengen fences, left and right wing polarised.

Oh... and the UK contribution to the EU is due to increase by a third in 2019.

168 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:11

Natasha Whittam

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Bread's boat dream is more important though.

169 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:16

Bread2.0

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Natasha Whittam wrote:Bread's boat dream is more important though.

Sadly the place we've just bought in Spain doesn't have room for a boat on the drive and the nearest marina charges £100 a month to berth a boat so the boat dream's (temporarily) dead.

I am a bit gutted if I'm honest.

170 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:18

Natasha Whittam

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I could do with a week away. Will Mrs B mind?

171 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:29

Bread2.0

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Not if you leave her make-up alone and don't touch her shoes.

I learnt that the hard way.

172 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:31

wanderlust

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okocha wrote:Still think we are all having to guess what the final impact of Brexit will be. Basically, no one can be sure at this stage. "In or out" was always a ridiculous question to ask. (Thanks, Dave!) Experts were as much in the dark as laymen and women. Many dire predictions about the immediate aftermath of the referendum result have not come to pass.


I did like this riposte to remainers on the BBC website today:- 


Why do we never hear M.P.’s and H.O.L.’s peers focus on what a financial failure the EU is and how bad it will be for the UK to be shackled to such a liability.

High unemployment, banks ‘teetering’, migrant chaos, Schengen fences, left and right wing polarised.

Oh... and the UK contribution to the EU is due to increase by a third in 2019.
All the "experts" can say is the likely impact of market trends. They can't say exactly to what extent or even when x or y might happen.

E.g. if you smoke 40 a day you are more likely to get cancer.
I used to smoke and I haven't got cancer - yet. And if I do, it might not entirely be due to the smoking. But it doesn't mean they are wrong because statistically it has been proven they are right and a lot of smokers will die prematurely.

So all this nonsense about the "experts" being right or wrong is pure speculation and only time will tell if their fears about leaving the EU were justified.

All I know is that since the referendum, petrol has gone up by 15p a litre, the shopping is £30 a week more and the rising cost of holidays is putting me off for now. In the scheme of things I can manage because I'm financially comfortableish but my worry is for one of my sons who has schizophrenia and is trying to live independently but is about to lose his support as part of the Government cutbacks. As always, it's the poor and the less able who will suffer most as a result of this decision. How much they'll suffer is what nobody knows for now so it's pointless speculating about it but I'm glad I'm not in a poorly paid job or on benefits.

173 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:39

Bread2.0

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I know I keep banging on about this but our food factories are ram-packed full of eastern European cheap labour and if that tap gets turned off, prices will have to go up to compensate for the wage rise necessary to attract "domestic" workers.

It's basic economics.

Or......

The government will finally have to get "tough" on benefit claimants in a drastic attempt to get them back to work and plug the gap.

And a lot of innocent people will get hurt in the process.

And prices will still go up to cover the cost of all the upheaval, so it'll be a lot of pain for nothing.

174 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:50

Norpig

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sorry to hear about your Son Lusty, this is why social care budgets are so important, but always seem to be the first thing to be cut by local councils because of their budget cuts.

175 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:56

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Tony Kelly
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wanderlust wrote:
okocha wrote:Many dire predictions about the immediate aftermath of the referendum result have not come to pass.
So all this nonsense about the "experts" being right or wrong is pure speculation and only time will tell if their fears about leaving the EU were justified.

Osborne, Carney and co. were telling us that armageddon would follow in the first week after a Brexit vote

176 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 16:57

Natasha Whittam

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wanderlust wrote:
All I know is that since the referendum, petrol has gone up by 15p a litre, the shopping is £30 a week more and the rising cost of holidays is putting me off for now.

This is the problem, people just make shit up and blame it on Brexit.

Petrol was rising long before Brexit, in fact it's only gone up about 3% since Brexit.

My weekly shop is virtually the same as it's always been. You must buy 50 iceberg lettuces every week to have a 30% rise.

177 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Thu Feb 23 2017, 10:36

wanderlust

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
All I know is that since the referendum, petrol has gone up by 15p a litre, the shopping is £30 a week more and the rising cost of holidays is putting me off for now.

This is the problem, people just make shit up and blame it on Brexit.
People?

You mean people like the Government?

178 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Thu Feb 23 2017, 11:03

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okocha wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
okocha wrote:Many dire predictions about the immediate aftermath of the referendum result have not come to pass.
So all this nonsense about the "experts" being right or wrong is pure speculation and only time will tell if their fears about leaving the EU were justified.

Osborne, Carney and co. were telling us that armageddon would follow in the first week after a Brexit vote

Show me where either of them said that "armageddon" (I assume you are quoting some fake news tabloid rag for that wording?) would definitely happen?

Show me where either of them actually gave a definite timescale for the impact of the trends to fully kick in?

What they and others actually said was that leaving the EU could lead to inflation, unemployment and recession. Here.

Fortunately for us, Carney took some bold steps to head off the immediate threat of the devaluation of the pound which he couldn't prevent completely. And everything he said is coming true so far, but you seem to be confusing his comments on the early impact of the markets (which happened and he predicted correctly) and the impact of Brexit which hasn't happened yet.

179 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Thu Feb 23 2017, 15:16

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What they and others actually said was that leaving the EU could lead to inflation, unemployment and recession.


And they leavers said that the NHS could receive up to 350M did they not ?  (lets not go down this road again)  Very Happy

180 Re: Brexit - A new twist! on Thu Feb 23 2017, 16:03

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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gloswhite wrote:What they and others actually said was that leaving the EU could lead to inflation, unemployment and recession.


And they leavers said that the NHS could receive up to 350M did they not ?  (lets not go down this road again)  Very Happy

Unfortunately the brexiteers did not say could. They just lied about the £350m. See the actual quotes from them here:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwio55LNy6bSAhWEAcAKHeYnC2sQFggtMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.quora.com%2FWhat-exactly-did-the-Leave-proponents-promise-regarding-the-%25C2%25A3350-million-per-week&usg=AFQjCNFQAUbMRWUiJ6O0tJ6oaASgHTAoZw&sig2=RXB51ZUTskzXxXOrStD6Pw

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