Boxing

Angry Dad wrote:Joshua is a cash cow for Sky, Hearn a loathsome creature and Sponsers, they gob off about Wilder but they have no intention ever of letting joshua anywhere near him ,Wilder will kill him in 1 or 2 rounds and they wont let Fury get a look in either he would school him and take the piss. That tonight was all Joshua has and it's poor he will get done if they ever risk him which they wont so they try to devalue Wilder and fury while calling them out but with no intention of going through with it. Hearn see's money in throwing Whyte into into Wilders destructive path he doesn't give a shit about Whyte he's expendable ,like i said Hearn is a loathsome creature. At least tonight his stupid blind fans will have at last realised he is not the new Mike Tyson and Certainly not in Foreman, Frazier and Ali's League he would not be in the top 10 rankings of the 70's and 80's he wouldn't even beat Joe Bugner or Frank Bruno as for Larry Holmes.

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Angry Dad wrote:Joshua is a cash cow for Sky, Hearn a loathsome creature and Sponsers, they gob off about Wilder but they have no intention ever of letting joshua anywhere near him ,Wilder will kill him in 1 or 2 rounds and they wont let Fury get a look in either he would school him and take the piss. That tonight was all Joshua has and it's poor he will get done if they ever risk him which they wont so they try to devalue Wilder and fury while calling them out but with no intention of going through with it. Hearn see's money in throwing Whyte into into Wilders destructive path he doesn't give a shit about Whyte he's expendable ,like i said Hearn is a loathsome creature. At least tonight his stupid blind fans will have at last realised he is not the new Mike Tyson and Certainly not in Foreman, Frazier and Ali's League he would not be in the top 10 rankings of the 70's and 80's he wouldn't even beat Joe Bugner or Frank Bruno as for Larry Holmes.

I don't know if it's because I'm old and bitter or not, but just the mention of those names from the past makes me think that the sport isn't anywhere near as exciting as it used to be. Theoretically modern boxers should be better conditioned as training techniques, diet etc continue to improve and they have more history to learn from, but somehow it just isn't as good IMO. Maybe it's because old heavyweight champions avoided nobody (and there was only one world champion) and therefore title fights were a proper clash of the titans of the sport? Or maybe it's as simple as me getting old and bitter.

Angry Dad wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:Joshua is a cash cow for Sky, Hearn a loathsome creature and Sponsers, they gob off about Wilder but they have no intention ever of letting joshua anywhere near him ,Wilder will kill him in 1 or 2 rounds and they wont let Fury get a look in either he would school him and take the piss. That tonight was all Joshua has and it's poor he will get done if they ever risk him which they wont so they try to devalue Wilder and fury while calling them out but with no intention of going through with it. Hearn see's money in throwing Whyte into into Wilders destructive path he doesn't give a shit about Whyte he's expendable ,like i said Hearn is a loathsome creature. At least tonight his stupid blind fans will have at last realised he is not the new Mike Tyson and Certainly not in Foreman, Frazier and Ali's League he would not be in the top 10 rankings of the 70's and 80's he wouldn't even beat Joe Bugner or Frank Bruno as for Larry Holmes.

I don't know if it's because I'm old and bitter or not, but just the mention of those names from the past makes me think that the sport isn't anywhere near as exciting as it used to be. Theoretically modern boxers should be better conditioned as training techniques, diet etc continue to improve and they have more history to learn from, but somehow it just isn't as good IMO. Maybe it's because old heavyweight champions avoided nobody (and there was only one world champion) and therefore title fights were a proper clash of the titans of the sport? Or maybe it's as simple as me getting old and bitter.

No your not they fought everyone to the point of death, example the Ali v Frazier triology and over 15 rounds those last 3 rounds were the real championship rounds 12 is not doing that so they were very fit and hungrier. If Parker could take AJ'S punches Foreman even old Foreman would have not felt them and blown him away. Even contenders from back then were monsters Earnie Shavers stands out for one.  But we did have some poor brit champs years ago like Richard Dunn, John Gardner, Jack Bodell even Henry Cooper who could not cope with today's brits. Only Bugner and Bruno. Fights to watch on youtube are Ali v Frazier and Norton, Foreman v Lyle, Foreman v Norton, Holmes v Norton 15 rounders. Jimmy Young would have given all todays heavyweights fits.

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Angry Dad wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:Joshua is a cash cow for Sky, Hearn a loathsome creature and Sponsers, they gob off about Wilder but they have no intention ever of letting joshua anywhere near him ,Wilder will kill him in 1 or 2 rounds and they wont let Fury get a look in either he would school him and take the piss. That tonight was all Joshua has and it's poor he will get done if they ever risk him which they wont so they try to devalue Wilder and fury while calling them out but with no intention of going through with it. Hearn see's money in throwing Whyte into into Wilders destructive path he doesn't give a shit about Whyte he's expendable ,like i said Hearn is a loathsome creature. At least tonight his stupid blind fans will have at last realised he is not the new Mike Tyson and Certainly not in Foreman, Frazier and Ali's League he would not be in the top 10 rankings of the 70's and 80's he wouldn't even beat Joe Bugner or Frank Bruno as for Larry Holmes.

I don't know if it's because I'm old and bitter or not, but just the mention of those names from the past makes me think that the sport isn't anywhere near as exciting as it used to be. Theoretically modern boxers should be better conditioned as training techniques, diet etc continue to improve and they have more history to learn from, but somehow it just isn't as good IMO. Maybe it's because old heavyweight champions avoided nobody (and there was only one world champion) and therefore title fights were a proper clash of the titans of the sport? Or maybe it's as simple as me getting old and bitter.

No your not they fought everyone to the point of death, example the Ali v Frazier triology and over 15 rounds those last 3 rounds were the real championship rounds 12 is not doing that so they were very fit and hungrier. If Parker could take AJ'S punches Foreman even old Foreman would have not felt them and blown him away. Even contenders from back then were monsters Earnie Shavers stands out for one.  But we did have some poor brit champs years ago like Richard Dunn, John Gardner, Jack Bodell even Henry Cooper who could not cope with today's brits. Only Bugner and Bruno. Fights to watch on youtube are Ali v Frazier and Norton, Foreman v Lyle, Foreman v Norton, Holmes v Norton 15 rounders. Jimmy Young would have given all todays heavyweights fits.

TBF I do remember some 15 round fights where they fought to a standstill and some absolutely brutal beatings e.g. Holmes destroying Cobb. Massive mismatch IMO but how Cobb managed to keep going I'll never know. Best chin I've ever seen.
I reckon it was fights like that that led to shortening to 12 though.

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Angry Dad wrote:

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Angry Dad wrote:Joshua is a cash cow for Sky, Hearn a loathsome creature and Sponsers, they gob off about Wilder but they have no intention ever of letting joshua anywhere near him ,Wilder will kill him in 1 or 2 rounds and they wont let Fury get a look in either he would school him and take the piss. That tonight was all Joshua has and it's poor he will get done if they ever risk him which they wont so they try to devalue Wilder and fury while calling them out but with no intention of going through with it. Hearn see's money in throwing Whyte into into Wilders destructive path he doesn't give a shit about Whyte he's expendable ,like i said Hearn is a loathsome creature. At least tonight his stupid blind fans will have at last realised he is not the new Mike Tyson and Certainly not in Foreman, Frazier and Ali's League he would not be in the top 10 rankings of the 70's and 80's he wouldn't even beat Joe Bugner or Frank Bruno as for Larry Holmes.

I don't know if it's because I'm old and bitter or not, but just the mention of those names from the past makes me think that the sport isn't anywhere near as exciting as it used to be. Theoretically modern boxers should be better conditioned as training techniques, diet etc continue to improve and they have more history to learn from, but somehow it just isn't as good IMO. Maybe it's because old heavyweight champions avoided nobody (and there was only one world champion) and therefore title fights were a proper clash of the titans of the sport? Or maybe it's as simple as me getting old and bitter.

No your not they fought everyone to the point of death, example the Ali v Frazier triology and over 15 rounds those last 3 rounds were the real championship rounds 12 is not doing that so they were very fit and hungrier. If Parker could take AJ'S punches Foreman even old Foreman would have not felt them and blown him away. Even contenders from back then were monsters Earnie Shavers stands out for one.  But we did have some poor brit champs years ago like Richard Dunn, John Gardner, Jack Bodell even Henry Cooper who could not cope with today's brits. Only Bugner and Bruno. Fights to watch on youtube are Ali v Frazier and Norton, Foreman v Lyle, Foreman v Norton, Holmes v Norton 15 rounders. Jimmy Young would have given all todays heavyweights fits.

TBF I do remember some 15 round fights where they fought to a standstill and some absolutely brutal beatings e.g. Holmes destroying Cobb. Massive mismatch IMO but how Cobb managed to keep going I'll never know. Best chin I've ever seen.
I reckon it was fights like that that led to shortening to 12 though.

Cobb is as sharp as a pin though and yes he really beat the shit out of Holmes fists with his face.

wanderlust wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:Joshua is a cash cow for Sky, Hearn a loathsome creature and Sponsers, they gob off about Wilder but they have no intention ever of letting joshua anywhere near him ,Wilder will kill him in 1 or 2 rounds and they wont let Fury get a look in either he would school him and take the piss. That tonight was all Joshua has and it's poor he will get done if they ever risk him which they wont so they try to devalue Wilder and fury while calling them out but with no intention of going through with it. Hearn see's money in throwing Whyte into into Wilders destructive path he doesn't give a shit about Whyte he's expendable ,like i said Hearn is a loathsome creature. At least tonight his stupid blind fans will have at last realised he is not the new Mike Tyson and Certainly not in Foreman, Frazier and Ali's League he would not be in the top 10 rankings of the 70's and 80's he wouldn't even beat Joe Bugner or Frank Bruno as for Larry Holmes.

I don't know if it's because I'm old and bitter or not, but just the mention of those names from the past makes me think that the sport isn't anywhere near as exciting as it used to be. Theoretically modern boxers should be better conditioned as training techniques, diet etc continue to improve and they have more history to learn from, but somehow it just isn't as good IMO. Maybe it's because old heavyweight champions avoided nobody (and there was only one world champion) and therefore title fights were a proper clash of the titans of the sport? Or maybe it's as simple as me getting old and bitter.

No your not they fought everyone to the point of death, example the Ali v Frazier triology and over 15 rounds those last 3 rounds were the real championship rounds 12 is not doing that so they were very fit and hungrier. If Parker could take AJ'S punches Foreman even old Foreman would have not felt them and blown him away. Even contenders from back then were monsters Earnie Shavers stands out for one.  But we did have some poor brit champs years ago like Richard Dunn, John Gardner, Jack Bodell even Henry Cooper who could not cope with today's brits. Only Bugner and Bruno. Fights to watch on youtube are Ali v Frazier and Norton, Foreman v Lyle, Foreman v Norton, Holmes v Norton 15 rounders. Jimmy Young would have given all todays heavyweights fits.

TBF I do remember some 15 round fights where they fought to a standstill and some absolutely brutal beatings e.g. Holmes destroying Cobb. Massive mismatch IMO but how Cobb managed to keep going I'll never know. Best chin I've ever seen.
I reckon it was fights like that that led to shortening to 12 though.

Cobb is as sharp as a pin though and yes he really beat the shit out of Holmes fists with his face.

Cobb was a character though. Apparently his training was based on booze, drugs and sex and yet his pro record was pretty good and he was a full contact kickboxing champ and later a Hollywood actor. Fascinating guy, hard as nails. quoted as saying that Holmes wouldn't want a rematch because his hands couldn't take it.

Angry Dad wrote:If he lost to price what is he doing getting in the ring again.